She vowed online that she and other activists were “going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department.”
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Sathanandan was the victim of a violent carjacking outside her house in the Twin Cities around 7:45 p.m. on Tuesday. The attack happened in front of her 4-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son.
The prairie politician posted a photo of her bloodied face on Facebook — and she’s calling for scalps. Credit where due.
She wrote: “I have a broken leg, deep lacerations on my head, bruising, and cuts all over my body. And I have rage.
“These men knew what they were doing. I have NO DOUBT they have done this before. Yet they are still on OUR STREETS. Killing mothers. Giving babies psychological trauma that a lifetime of therapy cannot ease. With no hesitation and no remorse.”
Sathanandan is now calling for tough-on-crime laws and is singing the cops’ praises
Absolutely brutal that this happened to her. Especially in front of her kids.
Credit where it is due, she is now standing behind the police, thanking them for their help.
Terrible that this is what it takes for a politician to realize that a soft-on-crime approach isn’t the way forward.
Did she ever call for the police to not handle these sorts of violent crime or was she one of the politicians who thought there were other options to consider for dealing with things like non-violent domestic disputes?
Did she ever call for the police to not handle these sorts of violent crime or was she one of the politicians who thought there were other options to consider for dealing with things like non-violent domestic disputes?
She wanted to make systemic changes to the MPD, build a new infrastructure that worked for all communities, and rethink approach to public safety.
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Does "dismantle the police" mean abolishing them entirely?
The proposal put before Minneapolis voters in 2021 was to replace the police depart with a department of public safety. The public voted resoundingly against the proposal.
Less drastic proposals to reduce policing funding in American cities also proved very unpopular, and Democratic politicians have backtracked from almost all of the systemic changes to policing championed in the febrile climate of 2020.
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
She wanted to make systemic changes to the MPD, build a new infrastructure that worked for all communities, and rethink approach to public safety.
Shhhh, that logical description of the discussion that should be had in our society goes against the right wing screams of “but they want to shut the police down and live in a lawless society”, or something like that.
Im thinking the same thing.
Probably her 4-year-old daughter and 7-year-old son.
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Shhhh, that logical description of the discussion that should be had in our society goes against the right wing screams of “but they want to shut the police down and live in a lawless society”, or something like that.
The police funding cuts that were proposed by various cities in 2020 and 2021 were clearly spelled out. And when it came to elections, those proposals and the politicians who championed them were voted out. Because it turns out measures that would reduce the presence of police on the streets are really unpopular with voters - including voters in the communities most affected by violent crime.
As a political movement, de-fund the police (or however you want to frame it) was politically toxic, and Democratic politicians across the U.S. have pretty much all abandoned it. The movement seems to only live on in certain precincts of the internet.
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How Democrats went from defund to refund the police
As crime rates rise ahead of the midterms, Black mayors of the nation's largest cities are leading the call to crack down on lawlessness. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/pol...lice-rcna14796
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If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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The police funding cuts that were proposed by various cities in 2020 and 2021 were clearly spelled out. And when it came to elections, those proposals and the politicians who championed them were voted out. Because it turns out measures that would reduce the presence of police on the streets are really unpopular with voters - including voters in the communities most affected by violent crime.
As a political movement, de-fund the police (or however you want to frame it) was politically toxic, and Democratic politicians across the U.S. have pretty much all abandoned it. The movement seems to only live on in certain precincts of the internet.
Are you suggesting that there can be no middle ground or reasonable steps taken to lighten the load of officers so they don’t have to deal with issues that could be dealt with through other agencies besides the police? Unless all of these politicians who lost their elections did so by 100% of the vote I would suggest that there is at least some appetite for reasonable changes to the system. Important to note that reasonable changes doesn’t have to mean taking funding away from the police.
Are you suggesting that there can be no middle ground or reasonable steps taken to lighten the load of officers so they don’t have to deal with issues that could be dealt with through other agencies besides the police?
Oooh, I can answer this one!
"No."
He's pretty clearly saying "defund the police" as a political movement (he uses those very words, in fact) didn't have the appetite and backing of enough of the electorate to gain traction. It's hard to disagree with that take.
I think part of the problem is that most people are generally terrible at marketing their ideas, and the "defund the police" mantra became very easy for conservatives and pro-police groups to defend against because it gave off the impression of dramatically cutting if not completely dismantling (to hear some people champion it) police departments at a time when there was (and still is) a great deal of disorder in plain view of the public. The loudest proponents weren't the ones talking with a whole lot of nuance or clarity on the subject.
You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear how quickly people I spoke to went from "defund the police is a stupid idea" to "oh, well yeah that makes sense" when you explain the actual ideas behind it (you've probably had those conversations yourself). 'Defund the police' is a bad choice of words to explain 'allocating resources to different specialists who are more qualified to deal with certain disorders than police are trained for', but that doesn't fit very well on a sign or a t-shirt.
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Typical dumb take.
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He's pretty clearly saying "defund the police" as a political movement (he uses those very words, in fact) didn't have the appetite and backing of enough of the electorate to gain traction. It's hard to disagree with that take.
I think part of the problem is that most people are generally terrible at marketing their ideas, and the "defund the police" mantra became very easy for conservatives and pro-police groups to defend against because it gave off the impression of dramatically cutting if not completely dismantling (to hear some people champion it) police departments at a time when there was (and still is) a great deal of disorder in plain view of the public. The loudest proponents weren't the ones talking with a whole lot of nuance or clarity on the subject.
You probably wouldn't be surprised to hear how quickly people I spoke to went from "defund the police is a stupid idea" to "oh, well yeah that makes sense" when you explain the actual ideas behind it (you've probably had those conversations yourself). 'Defund the police' is a bad choice of words to explain 'allocating resources to different specialists who are more qualified to deal with certain disorders than police are trained for', but that doesn't fit very well on a sign or a t-shirt.
I don’t disagree with most of what you’ve responded for cliff here with but he has since added a link to an article about politicians moving from “defund” to “refund” which suggests he’s not on the same page as you are.
“Dismantle the Police” politician attacked
