Suniev-Morin? The tale of the tape?

[Fan69]

Reading through the prospect list thread it seems that most have Morin ahead of Suniev. Yes I am well aware that the scouting department had Morin ahead as well but would anyone else have taken Suniev in the second? I would have and laughed all the way to the bank.

Now don't get me wrong, a looot to like about Morin. The hitting, the skill, all first round however watching a shift by shift assessment he made as much work for his own goalie as he did for the opposition. One game bias? sure quite possibly; as much of what I read say he is pretty good defensively, but if not why wasn't he mentioned more as one of the top defencemen?

Suniev highlights package looks like a first rounder all day long. To me he almost seems like Honzek light, with maybe a better one timer. Oh that one timer is wicked and looks almost effortless. the skating seems to be overblown as he seems to involved in the play in all sorts of ways in every zone. I think he is an absolute steal in the third.

Am I totally out to lunch here?

[mrdonkey]

RemindMe! 5 years

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Reading through the prospect list thread it seems that most have Morin ahead of Suniev. Yes I am well aware that the scouting department had Morin ahead as well but would anyone else have taken Suniev in the second? I would have and laughed all the way to the bank.

Now don't get me wrong, a looot to like about Morin. The hitting, the skill, all first round however watching a shift by shift assessment he made as much work for his own goalie as he did for the opposition. One game bias? sure quite possibly; as much of what I read say he is pretty good defensively, but if not why wasn't he mentioned more as one of the top defencemen?

Suniev highlights package looks like a first rounder all day long. To me he almost seems like Honzek light, with maybe a better one timer. Oh that one timer is wicked and looks almost effortless. the skating seems to be overblown as he seems to involved in the play in all sorts of ways in every zone. I think he is an absolute steal in the third.

Am I totally out to lunch here?

I saw it mentioned that Conroy did try to trade up into the 2nd round to draft Suniev, but ended up not having to as he was still available in the 3rd.

Suniev was listed by a few scouting services as a big riser and potential dark horse pick. I think playing in a lower tier junior league and behind a higher profile player probably let him fly under the radar a little bit. Pretty cool that we were able to get him in the 3rd round.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[1Nite]

I could be wrong, but in the draft video was his jersey the only one that had their name printed on it?

[Spurs]

Having no idea what level of scouting you did, assuming it is similar to what many fans, I would say you go with the guy ranked higher and picked much sooner at this point.

Every player picked by your own team looks awesome. They all have amazing attributes that makes them look like they are hidden gems.

[sch19lks]

It’s a lot easier to look good in the BCHL than it is to look good in Major Junior. The difference in caliber of play between the two levels is huge. There were a few publications that had Morin ranked as the best defenseman in the draft. I believe the head scout at Central Scouting had him ranked #1 for defenseman.

At the end of the day, they’re both good prospects and the Flames seem to have done well at the draft this year. But like any other year, you have to give it some time until you can grade it. I think Morin ends up as a top four guy at the very least. If Suniev ends up better, that isn’t a bad thing in the slightest

[This post is terrible]

Originally Posted by 1Nite

I could be wrong, but in the draft video was his jersey the only one that had their name printed on it?

It was speculated that Conroy was going to select Suniev with the 48th pick, but when Morin was unexpectedly available they took him instead. So they were expecting to take Suniev. At least that’s the information that’s circulating.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

It’s a lot easier to look good in the BCHL than it is to look good in Major Junior. The difference in caliber of play between the two levels is huge. There were a few publications that had Morin ranked as the best defenseman in the draft. I believe the head scout at Central Scouting had him ranked #1 for defenseman.

At the end of the day, they’re both good prospects and the Flames seem to have done well at the draft this year. But like any other year, you have to give it some time until you can grade it. I think Morin ends up as a top four guy at the very least. If Suniev ends up better, that isn’t a bad thing in the slightest

I was going to mention this. I really like Suniev, and I believe that he has some translatable qualities, but the fact of the matter is that he's a kid with a man's body playing Junior A, on a line with the 2 best players in the league- one of whom is a first-rounder. How much was he propped up by those 2 things? He's got plenty of runway though, as he's attending college.

That said, I like him, and still think he'll play. Morin, however, is a home-run pick with top-pairing potential. Still can't believe we got him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I think Suniev could be the best player taken by the Flames in this draft. I have to disagree with Sandman on his assessment of Suniev being dragged along by the Nadeaus. His highlight packages showed he is very capable in his own right in driving the play. I do share Sandman's concern about the Junior A level, but the skill was extremely evident in his play and his ability to affect the play at both ends of the ice. I really really like Suniev and think he is the most exciting prospect in the system. That's not to discount Morin in any way either. Both are really good picks. It will be fun to watch them both develop and then see what we have once they turn pro. Their first year in the AHL will tells us what we have here.

[Aarongavey]

If Suniev puts up numbers in Hockey East this year we will know we have a real stud, that is a pretty good league.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Having no idea what level of scouting you did, assuming it is similar to what many fans, I would say you go with the guy ranked higher and picked much sooner at this point.

Every player picked by your own team looks awesome. They all have amazing attributes that makes them look like they are hidden gems.

I wouldn't say that's true.

There have certainly been drafts where the CP view is disappointed ... generally not informed disappointment but players taken that have limited upside or skill, or with big reaches.

Boltmann almost caused a riot for example. While Poirier had everyone jacked.

So far it looks like the Flames had a pretty decent 2023 draft

[1qqaaz]

Both great picks, I'm excited to see how they do. They both are high ceiling types, yet are still decent size.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wouldn't say that's true.

There have certainly been drafts where the CP view is disappointed ... generally not informed disappointment but players taken that have limited upside or skill, or with big reaches.

Boltmann almost caused a riot for example. While Poirier had everyone jacked.

So far it looks like the Flames had a pretty decent 2023 draft

Hunter Smith, Jankowski, and boltmann are probably the most outraged the board has ever been. I still think stromgren over stankoven was a terrible miss as well.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hunter Smith, Jankowski, and boltmann are probably the most outraged the board has ever been. I still think stromgren over stankoven was a terrible miss as well.

Hunter Smith had to be the worst. Using a 2nd round pick on a guy who got 1 point in his first year through the draft. 3 of the next 4 picks - Brandon Montour, Ryan Donato and Christian Dvorak. Local kid Brayden Point going in the third round coming off a 91 point year on a team where everyone else was brutal. And we pick the guy who is in his second run through the draft because nobody wanted him the first time because he only got one point that year.

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I was going to mention this. I really like Suniev, and I believe that he has some translatable qualities, but the fact of the matter is that he's a kid with a man's body playing Junior A, on a line with the 2 best players in the league- one of whom is a first-rounder. How much was he propped up by those 2 things? He's got plenty of runway though, as he's attending college.

That said, I like him, and still think he'll play. Morin, however, is a home-run pick with top-pairing potential. Still can't believe we got him.

Very fair comments about the BCHL and his size. I've only seen highlights of him on the youtube clips but the one thing I like about the highlights is that he seems to be creating plays on his own quite a bit. Hoping he can do that with bigger, faster players at the next level too. Really interested to watch him in college next year.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wouldn't say that's true.

There have certainly been drafts where the CP view is disappointed ... generally not informed disappointment but players taken that have limited upside or skill, or with big reaches.

Boltmann almost caused a riot for example. While Poirier had everyone jacked.

So far it looks like the Flames had a pretty decent 2023 draft

This wasn't just meant to be a Flames fan but a sports fan in general and it makes sense, new players are exciting.

But yes there will be some examples of that not happening.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I was going to mention this. I really like Suniev, and I believe that he has some translatable qualities, but the fact of the matter is that he's a kid with a man's body playing Junior A, on a line with the 2 best players in the league- one of whom is a first-rounder. How much was he propped up by those 2 things? He's got plenty of runway though, as he's attending college.

That said, I like him, and still think he'll play. Morin, however, is a home-run pick with top-pairing potential. Still can't believe we got him.

When I read below I get sense he didn't play with Nadeau brothers on first line. I'm sure he got PP time with them so it would be interesting to know what Suniev's (and Nadeau's) even strength points were.

Penticton Vees forward Aydar Suniev may not have gotten the same attention as his teammates the Nadeau brothers last year, but his first full season in the BCHL was impressive to say the least. The 18-year-old tied for the league lead with 45 goals and finished third in BCHL scoring with 90 points in 50 games, all while playing on his team’s second line.

https://bchl.ca/nhl-draft-profile-aydar-suniev

[Calgary4LIfe]

I like the Sunlev pick, but this thread should really be Honzek vs Morin, as I would say that they are a lot closer to one another.



Morin is an absolute home-run pick. Fantastic puck-mover, high offensive ceiling, moves well, moves the puck well, isn't a mess in his own zone, and he likes to make a big hit. Plus, he seems like an excellent character guy too. This is the guy that I think a lot of people will be surprised was drafted in the 2nd round.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

When I read below I get sense he didn't play with Nadeau brothers on first line. I'm sure he got PP time with them so it would be interesting to know what Suniev's (and Nadeau's) even strength points were.


https://bchl.ca/nhl-draft-profile-aydar-suniev

The more i find out the more i like him. Wasnt aware he was basically performing at first line level from the second line.