[News] Mangiapane undergoes shoulder surgery

[TheScorpion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1648067360379781122

[SuperMatt18]

Shoulder injury could explain why a guy who shot 16%+ for his career dropped off to 9.3% this year.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Really missed that 35 goal shot this year.

[rohara66]

Was hurt in training camp/preseason. Wonder if it was nagging all damn season?

[Jetfire]

Yeah this isn't overly surprising, his shot didn't look great all year. I was a little less critical of him than some posters were, as he still tried and even though his goals were down his assists rised quite a bit, he just looked kinda awkward a lot of the year though. Hoping for a speedy recovery.

[Torture]

Gotta question why coaches keep players in when they're clearly injured and a fraction of themselves.

Is it really that big a drop off from shoulderless Mangiapane to a call-up?

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by rohara66

Was hurt in training camp/preseason. Wonder if it was nagging all damn season?

Should have just had the surgery early on in the season. Given the number of 1-goal losses we had this season, another 10 or so goals would have made a big difference in making the playoffs.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by Torture

Gotta question why coaches keep players in when they're clearly injured and a fraction of themselves.

Is it really that big a drop off from shoulderless Mangiapane to a call-up?

Yeah, like if it's bad enough for surgery, why play? I would hope more guys on the team would learn from watching Monahan destroy his body all these years that it's best to just deal with the issue when it arises. Of course we don't know when exactly Mangiapane hurt his shoulder, but I think we've been watching an injured Mangiapane for most of the season.

[midniteowl]

It seems like it's the problem of this team, players often play through injuries. Does this happens to other teams as well? Did he hide his injury from the team? Looking back what happened to Mony, the team might have learned something?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Torture

Gotta question why coaches keep players in when they're clearly injured and a fraction of themselves.

Is it really that big a drop off from shoulderless Mangiapane to a call-up?

Shoulders can be a tricky thing. My guess is a partial thickness somewhere in the rotator cuff. Would be enough to cause pain and mobility/strength issues, but not enough to totally disable.

I always assumed that the players were given some say themselves. He probably had the choice between playing and missing 3+ months, and chose to play.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Playing with a shoulder that needed surgery must have been awful. I know he had just signed a big contract and didn’t want to leave the team but he probably should have just gone for the surgery and let the team fill his space in the short/medium term.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Torture

Gotta question why coaches keep players in when they're clearly injured and a fraction of themselves.

Is it really that big a drop off from shoulderless Mangiapane to a call-up?

Builds character, grit and toughness.

[Monahammer]

Fire the medical staff and acquire some with a miniscule combination of brains and gumption.

Sean Monahan's career was totally ruined by behavior just like this. IMO this is an organizational problem, and has been festering for some time. Do NOT play through injuries. Sit and minimize your recovery time to 100% instead of playing at 60% all season.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Torture

Gotta question why coaches keep players in when they're clearly injured and a fraction of themselves.

Is it really that big a drop off from shoulderless Mangiapane to a call-up?

Originally Posted by midniteowl

It seems like it's the problem of this team, players often play through injuries. Does this happens to other teams as well? Did he hide his injury from the team? Looking back what happened to Mony, the team might have learned something?

Coach: How's it going today? You got hurt last game, how does it feel?

Player: I'm fine, coach! Good as new!

Players don't want to lose their spot or don't want to let their team down by not being there. Being there and battling through things shows how dedicated they are and they value that in themselves immensely. I really don't know if this is an all sports type thing (probably) but it is definitely a hockey player attitude.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Fire the medical staff and acquire some with a miniscule combination of brains and gumption.

Sean Monahan's career was totally ruined by behavior just like this. IMO this is an organizational problem, and has been festering for some time. Do NOT play through injuries. Sit and minimize your recovery time to 100% instead of playing at 60% all season.

It may be an organizational problem, but it's ALL organizations in the NHL. Don't assume it's just the Flames. It's all teams.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

It seems like it's the problem of this team, players often play through injuries. Does this happens to other teams as well? Did he hide his injury from the team? Looking back what happened to Mony, the team might have learned something?

Flames have been one of the 'luckiest' teams in terms of games lost to injury for years now.

Which might be worthy of praise for the medical staff...or it might be an indictment if the threshold to 'play through it' is simply off...or it might just be luck.

[FlamesAddiction]

I know people like to say it's not an excuse for under-producing, but if he was playing with a buggered shoulder all season, then I think that is an excuse, assuming the injury happened early in the season.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Fire the medical staff and acquire some with a miniscule combination of brains and gumption.

Sean Monahan's career was totally ruined by behavior just like this. IMO this is an organizational problem, and has been festering for some time. Do NOT play through injuries. Sit and minimize your recovery time to 100% instead of playing at 60% all season.

Tanev won't be playable by the time he's done with the Flames at this rate.

They treat the regular season like playoffs in that whatever you have, you just play on through it and pop your painkillers.

Falls in line with the sneak in and anything can happen MO of these dinosaurs. Long term health of these players be damned.

Other teams send their players for their surgeries when its needed, even if that's mid-season. And funny enough, things tend to work out for them (e.g. Vegas)

[Classic_Sniper]

Personally, I thought Mangiapane was sensational in the second half of the season. Loved how he seemingly drove any line Sutter ended up throwing him out with. I know he didn't come anywhere close to 35 goals, but honestly, he's not a 35 goal guy. He just happened to ride an unsustainable hot month back in 2021 which resulted in that unmatchable total.

To me, he's a 40-50 point guy with a high motor and who plays the right way. That to me is classic Mangiapane and that's kind of where he ultimately ended up. 43 points, career high in assists, +12, bad first half, excellent second half. Still love this guy and hope he has a good recovery.

[flamesgod]

Why as an organization you would want to risk the long term health of a player in your team is beyond me.
With the way the cap.works you might as well take advantage and LTIR him, especially when the injury happened around training camp. You could replace that cap through trade and you'd have a healthy Mangiapane come playpffs, assuming you make it.