2013-14 Kings Season

[Burning Beard]

Thought this article recounting the LA Kings 2013-14 Cup winning season was very interesting with several parallels to the current Flames season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...2013-14-season

Some interesting (in my opinion) takeaways:

Ranked 26th in regular season goals while shooting at 6.6 percent.

Led the league in 5v5 Corsi during the regular season.

Traded for Gaborik and brought up Toffolli and Pearson from the farm team (even though Pearson went back down for a stint before sticking)

27th ranked PP in the regular season.

Finally I thought this quote from the article was interesting:

Sutter’s team plays a tough, heavy, possession-oriented style that isn’t always pretty and can prove woefully inconsistent in the regular season. It won’t bring home a Presidents’ Trophy or rev up the hype machine the way the Chicago Blackhawks or Pittsburgh Penguins can.

With that said, it sure is successful.

So it looks like that season he wanted to get the team playing the right way then injected skilled youth from the farm later in the season - might be hope for the Pelletier and Phillips hopefuls after all.

I'm not saying this is a guarantee of what will happen here, but I sure think the parallels between the two teams are interesting and he have a head coach who has done this before. It will rely heavily on goaltending and the team continuing to gel while finding some scoring from the farm, a trade or both.

[Paulie Walnuts]

2.07 and .915 save % by Quick in 49 games(may have been injured?)
1.81 and .934 save % by Jones in 19 games
1.97 and .931 save % by Scrivens in 19 games

That isn't a indictment on Markstrom but those are some absurd stats by the goalies that we aren't even close to as a team. We are giving up 3 goals per game that LA team was winning 2-1.

Do you think we are currently built to win 2-1 in a league that is scoring at levels not seen since the early 90's?

[OldDutch]

Kipper like numbers and a team that could grind you down over 7 game series.

The Kings were that one step further than the Flames of 04.

This year that type of team doesn't exist in Calgary at least not yet. Yet the current top 4 seeds are all very beatable. There is no Colorado like last year.

[sonq]

Maybe if Marky or Vladar and our star players go on a heater. Though I'm pretty positive nobody is beating Boston in playoffs this year.

[Kidder]

I don’t feel thrilled with the team or Sutter’s work this year, but at the same time I do remember those Kings teams and know when a team buys into Sutter’s system it is successful for the playoffs.

Gives some hope. Feel way better than if we were in a similar standings position with Ward or Peters.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2.07 and .915 save % by Quick in 49 games(may have been injured?)
1.81 and .934 save % by Jones in 19 games
1.97 and .931 save % by Scrivens in 19 games

That isn't a indictment on Markstrom but those are some absurd stats by the goalies that we aren't even close to as a team. We are giving up 3 goals per game that LA team was winning 2-1.

Do you think we are currently built to win 2-1 in a league that is scoring at levels not seen since the early 90's?

Point went right over your head huh? Flames are in a very similar spot positionally to what the Kings were in that regular season. Then they added a couple of skilled players from the farm and made a trade and added a goal a game for the playoffs. If the Flames could add a goal a game what do you expect would happen? It has absolutely nothing to do with what their exact save percentage was that year.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by sonq

Maybe if Marky or Vladar and our star players go on a heater. Though I'm pretty positive nobody is beating Boston in playoffs this year.

People always say stuff like this but rarely does the top regular season team win it all

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Point went right over your head huh? Flames are in a very similar spot positionally to what the Kings were in that regular season. Then they added a couple of skilled players from the farm and made a trade and added a goal a game for the playoffs. If the Flames could add a goal a game what do you expect would happen? It has absolutely nothing to do with what their exact save percentage was that year.

I'm not sure which brand of Sutter copium we're supposed to be on this week, is it the "2013-14 Kings team was in this exact situation at this time in their season" or the "2021-22 Flames team was in this exact situation this time last season"?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Point went right over your head huh? Flames are in a very similar spot positionally to what the Kings were in that regular season. Then they added a couple of skilled players from the farm and made a trade and added a goal a game for the playoffs. If the Flames could add a goal a game what do you expect would happen? It has absolutely nothing to do with what their exact save percentage was that year.

Yup, that high save percentage was just how it went that year. Right now there is one full time goalie above .930. That year there were 6 (and most were backups). Hell, Quick was 42nd in the league in save%. Position wise the teams are similar.

Save percentage is an overrated stat. It ignores so much. It's especially irrelevant at any time mid game.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

2.07 and .915 save % by Quick in 49 games(may have been injured?)
1.81 and .934 save % by Jones in 19 games
1.97 and .931 save % by Scrivens in 19 games

That isn't a indictment on Markstrom but those are some absurd stats by the goalies that we aren't even close to as a team. We are giving up 3 goals per game that LA team was winning 2-1.

Do you think we are currently built to win 2-1 in a league that is scoring at levels not seen since the early 90's?

League wide:
3.17 goals per game vs. 2.74 in 2013-14
2.95 GAA vs 2.56
.914 vs. .905

[Yeah_Baby]

Aren't most Goalies Save % down because goals are up?

*hits the copium vape*

[sonq]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People always say stuff like this but rarely does the top regular season team win it all

You're right, but the Bruins look like a very complete team this year

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Aren't most Goalies Save % up because goals are up?

*hits the copium vape*

You mean Save % down because goals are up I assume.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean Save % down because goals are up I assume.

Oops yes. I do.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by sonq

Maybe if Marky or Vladar and our star players go on a heater. Though I'm pretty positive nobody is beating Boston in playoffs this year.

The best team likely has only about a 15% chance of winning the Stanley Cup at the best of times and you are pretty positive of the winner before the season is half way over?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

copium

Honest question. Did this sound at all cool in your head?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Point went right over your head huh? Flames are in a very similar spot positionally to what the Kings were in that regular season. Then they added a couple of skilled players from the farm and made a trade and added a goal a game for the playoffs. If the Flames could add a goal a game what do you expect would happen? It has absolutely nothing to do with what their exact save percentage was that year.

No the point didn't go over my head. I posted the goalie stats to show they had one of the best goals against in the league to compensate for the awful goals for.

I agree we need to add a goal a game, but do you see a Gaborik or a Carter for the team to get? Sutter has shown he really isn't interested in giving any farm players a real look as well, so it seems unlikely that they grab some guys from the farm at the expense of taking out Lucic and Lewis.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

No the point didn't go over my head. I posted the goalie stats to show they had one of the best goals against in the league to compensate for the awful goals for.

I agree we need to add a goal a game, but do you see a Gaborik or a Carter for the team to get? Sutter has shown he really isn't interested in giving any farm players a real look as well, so it seems unlikely that they grab some guys from the farm at the expense of taking out Lucic and Lewis.

They traded for Gaborik and many felt that was a big risk because of his injury history. He also didn't seem like a "Sutter" player.

And Sutter wasn't interested in giving the farm players a real look that year either... Until he did. So kind of like what has been going on here this year again. Not sure why proof that he does indeed insert farm players with cup winning results somehow proves to you that he won't do it this year?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

They traded for Gaborik and many felt that was a big risk because of his injury history. He also didn't seem like a "Sutter" player.

And Sutter wasn't interested in giving the farm players a real look that year either... Until he did. So kind of like what has been going on here this year again. Not sure why proof that he does indeed insert farm players with cup winning results somehow proves to you that he won't do it this year?

I think Lombardi was adding skilled players that could score and win and cared less about "Sutter" type players.

A lot of those player on that team don't scream grinders to me. Maybe Sutter is having a adverse impact on the team by influencing roster moves.

It seems like Sutter gets the most success on teams that are built by the GM and he just coaches and doesn't impact any roster moves.