10-07-2022, 09:16 AM
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Contract Length - the Merits of Long & Short
so i made this comment in the discussion about Robertson, but I then wondered if the issue is worthy of it's own discussion.
Robertson signed a shorter term deal that gets him to UFA. By that time the salary landscape will have presumably changed and maybe he signs a massive deal assuming he continues to develop. In other words he has gambled on himself.
Years ago McD signed a 10 year prison sentence deal that presumably keeps him in Edmonton for the duration. As I recall the deal was roughly 10yrs at $12m per. At that time it could have been argued that he had not really earned that salary based on his body of work. However, had he signed a deal that got him to UFA which say was this past summer or next (I am too lazy to figure out when he would be eligible for UFA); he could have had a chance to pick a new place to play and likely signed some deal for say 5-8 years at likely $15m per. so instead of making $120m over 10yrs - presumably he makes something in the range of $135m
for a player like mcd who gets better likely makes more money this way; however, a guy who is a bust like alexander daigle would be hooped if he went for a shorter term deal, but the team that signed him wins as they only are committed to him for a short period of time
does anyone else out there feel that perhaps the market is shifting, and guys will gamble on themselves go for shorter term deals
there seem to be pros and cons for both the team and the player with short and long term deals
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10-07-2022, 09:29 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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McDahmer's deal was eight years.
To answer your question, I think it will continue to depend heavily on the values of each individual player. B. Tkachuk and Stützle both just signed max term deals out of their ELCs. Not because they are not "betting on themselves," but in part because they believe in the direction their team is going. I have no doubt that the reason it has taken so long for Robertson to sign is not because he is maximizing his value down the road, but because the l9ng-term deal he wanted was so.oly not possible for Dallas to pay. The sand is with M. Tkachuk when he signed his second contract: Calgary could not afford the ling-term cap hit owing to other salary commitments, and opted for a lower dollar-value at a shorter term.
Like I said: it depends on what an individual player wants, and it varies from one player to another.
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10-07-2022, 09:35 AM
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Robertson’s deal doesn’t take him to UFA. He still has a year of RFA when it ends.
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10-07-2022, 09:45 AM
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Just like my g/f always tells me, long and short isn't very important. It's the girth that matters.
So I'm gonna go ahead and say that AAV is more important than length. But in the end she's a dirty liar and they both matter. Nobody likes it too short but too long can be painful. There's got to be a happy medium.
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10-07-2022, 10:28 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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I always say it when I have a chance. The league owners did it to themselves. Make all contracts one-year and we will have the best hockey each and every season. To those who'd say "oh, but how do you secure the star players for your team's future", you don't. But the entropy of a closed system is constant. The superstars, stars and other players will be re-distributed and re-signed evenly around the league.
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10-07-2022, 10:31 AM
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
I always say it when I have a chance. The league owners did it to themselves. Make all contracts one-year and we will have the best hockey each and every season. To those who'd say "oh, but how do you secure the star players for your team's future", you don't. But the entropy of a closed system is constant. The superstars, stars and other players will be re-distributed and re-signed evenly around the league.
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While it is a simple answer that doesn't quite deal with the objections, neither players nor owners would want that system. Owners and players want some security - players to know how much they are making and where they are living and owners that they have the player for this amount of money moving forward. Constant negotiation of contracts would be interesting but not something either side is likely to engage.
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10-07-2022, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
I always say it when I have a chance. The league owners did it to themselves. Make all contracts one-year and we will have the best hockey each and every season. To those who'd say "oh, but how do you secure the star players for your team's future", you don't. But the entropy of a closed system is constant. The superstars, stars and other players will be re-distributed and re-signed evenly around the league.
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This sounds like a horrible idea.
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10-07-2022, 10:40 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
While it is a simple answer that doesn't quite deal with the objections, neither players nor owners would want that system. Owners and players want some security - players to know how much they are making and where they are living and owners that they have the player for this amount of money moving forward. Constant negotiation of contracts would be interesting but not something either side is likely to engage.
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Players do want security, why wouldn't they? But teams' fans want top-quality entertainment for their money. Fans' objective should always trump players' objectives. DiPietro's, Luongo's, Redden's etc. contracts prove that they result in disappointment for team fans. So, either make long-term contracts depend on players' continuing performance or give owners right to terminate contracts without crippling penalties. Fair?
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10-07-2022, 11:33 AM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by CaptainYooh
I always say it when I have a chance. The league owners did it to themselves.
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The owners didn't unilaterally impose the deal on the players. Contracts greater than one year would have been a non-negotiable requirement by the players.
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10-07-2022, 11:38 AM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Just like my g/f always tells me, long and short isn't very important. It's the girth that matters.
So I'm gonna go ahead and say that AAV is more important than length. But in the end she's a dirty liar and they both matter. Nobody likes it too short but too long can be painful. There's got to be a happy medium.
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10-07-2022, 02:13 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Northendzone
does anyone else out there feel that perhaps the market is shifting, and guys will gamble on themselves go for shorter term deals
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There seems to be nothing I've seen that suggest players are going more for shorter term deals.
Players want to reach UFA at an age which is advantageous for them.
They go shorter term for one reason only. Reaching UFA at a younger age.
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