[Game Takes] Kraken 5 Flames 4

[Bingo]

Kraken 5 Flames 4

- Flames start tepid but rebound
- Take 4-2 third period lead but then cough up three straight goals
- Vladar 5 against on 26 shots
- Toffoli goal and assist for 400 points on his career.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Both goalies played really well. Unusual to say that in a 5-4 game. But that is what happened.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Both goalies played really well. Unusual to say that in a 5-4 game. But that is what happened.

High danger chances were 10-5 Flames.

Vladar had a very bad night.

[Erick Estrada]

Vladar didn't get the job done. Not even debatable IMO.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Agreed. Vladar just looked off.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Vladar didn't get the job done. Not even debatable IMO.

He seemed to be the inverse of the team. He looked good early and faded once the team started to play better.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Vladar didn't get the job done. Not even debatable IMO.

don't bother he is the biggest backup goaltender homer on earth...he will make up some stupid scientific stats and then pretend we aren't smart enough to understand. Bottom line is .800 goaltending doesn't cut it. Make a ####ing save.

Vladar wasn't anywhere near good enough, he said so himself

heck even give him a bit of a pass with one game in 2 weeks or whatever but call a spade a spade

[Bingo]

We can have both right?

A team that is playing fast and loose with turnovers creating odd man blue chip chances against ...

and

a goaltender(s) who aren't making enough of the big saves to keep their team in it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

He seemed to be the inverse of the team. He looked good early and faded once the team started to play better.

He looks like one of those goaltenders that will dazzle you with great saves only to get beat by a few shots that you would hope he could stop. Flames suffered too many breakdowns last night but he didn’t make any big saves with the game on the line in the 3rd period.

[dino7c]

Yes it wasn't all on Vladar...decent goaltending and they win though

Flames are one of the lowest teams in the NHL in terms of high danger chances against...nobody plays a perfect game. Flames certainly had their share of chances.


Dacord robbed Lewis on what would have been a 5-2 goal, that was probably the game right there in hindsight. He made more big saves.

5 high danger chances against is not a lot, looking at all the other games last night its pretty low in fact. Every single mistake shouldn't be a goal against.

Vladar is in the .800s and Markstom is barley .900. Flames record is pretty impressive thus far considering IMO

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Vladar is in the .800s and Markstom is barley .900. Flames record is pretty impressive thus far considering IMO

I said this earlier this week but 5-3-0 considering the Flames have a .979 PDO and rank 26th in the league is pretty remarkable.

Finishing hasn't been good enough, defense has been a bit leaky , and goalies have been below average, and the Flames are still 5-3-0.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He looks like one of those goaltenders that will dazzle you with great saves only to get beat by a few shots that you would hope he could stop. Flames suffered too many breakdowns last night but he didn’t make any big saves with the game on the line in the 3rd period.

See, I find this amusing. There is a pretty big double standard between what the Flames goalie should stop and what the opponent should.

Good goals are good goals, and Seattle had more dangerous chances.

I don’t know who counts high danger chances, but Seattle had a breakaway on the bad pass by Ras to Kadri, a 4 on 1 when Lucic turned it over and fell down. If Calgary had a 4 on 1 and didn’t capitalize, people would be up in arms. However, if Seattle capitalizes, the Flames goalie ‘just didn’t make a save when he needed to’

Save percentage is pretty much meaningless, especially in small sample sizes. Add 30 muffins from the outside, and your stats are *very* different

How did Joey D’Accord look? Awesome, right?
Well, on Zadorov’s goal, he only made it half way across the crease. Nice and vertical, but didn’t get across

On the game winner, Lucic falls down, then Seattle gets a 4 on 1. That hard cross crease push, goalies don’t usually end up square. Vladar is across, but low.

In fact, look at D’Accord on Kadri’s goal. Big push, ended up on his belly when Kadri shoveled the puck over him

For the record, again, I thought D’Accord played well.

The “just make a save” notion is reflective of fan frustration more than a goalie having a reasonable chance of stopping the shot

When you play river hockey, you get high scores.

[Bingo]

^ that's standard though.

Fans are myopic about their team so of course they all are about goaltending too.

When your team outplays the opposition, they're playing well. When they don't, they're playing like garbage ... neither take into account what the other team is doing.

I would agree that the Flames gave up the highest danger chances, not much point in disputing counts in the current system though, the Flames only gave up 5 and generated double that the other way.

Until we get a shades of grey component to high danger chances this will be a debate.

[Naitix]

The Lewis goal is exactly why Ruzicka is in the line-up, Rooney has not really created any offence so far. That Lewis goal only happened because of Ruzicka causing a turnover and then giving an absolutely perfect screen.

[FlamesAddiction]

It just felt that too many players lacked intensity the last game. Zadorov tried to spark the team probably because he sensed that too many players didn't have their heads into it.

I think Seattle is a bit of a sleeper team this year though. They are a really fast team and I like how they are building. I know the players are all professionals and would never admit to looking past a team on the schedule, but I wouldn't be surprised if part of it was some guys taking them too lightly.