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Old 10-02-2025, 11:09 AM   #1
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It's a topic we talk about in pretty much all three politics threads - MAGA, Pierre Poilievre's CPC, Danielle Smith's UCP. It's no coincidence these parties are all influenced by Stephen Harper's IDU, and more importantly that they are corrupt entities funded by either the immensely wealthy, who use bribery and their ownership of the vast majority of media (whether social or traditional) or malicious foreign state actors such as Russia and USA who would benefit from the weakening of our democratic institutions, to create narratives that consist total blatant disinformation, in all sorts of propaganda. That was a terrible run on sentence but I don't care. Point is, whether it's corporate interests or psyops, "facts" are no longer the source of truth that the typical person is exposed to.

I'm making this thread because this problem deserves its own thread outside of the scope of any singular type of politics. Politics are boring when they're based on facts. We need to return to a time when politics were boring.

There is a petition going around that I think anyone who cares about truth should sign:

https://politicalhonesty.ca/faq/

Remember, the petition is not signed until you confirm the email you get after filling out the form
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Old 10-02-2025, 11:31 AM   #2
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We've had this thread going for awhile:


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=185146
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Old 10-02-2025, 12:21 PM   #3
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While I appreciate the effort, this is 20+ years late.
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Old 10-02-2025, 12:58 PM   #4
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Difficult to read into discussions about truth without melting down into post modernist semantics.

In the end the quest to affirm a universal truth will never be satisfying, and it normally leads to the same conclusion. Power creates knowledge, and the production of knowledge, truthful or not, creates power.

For me it is easier to embrace absurdism than it is to ascribe any sort of logic to the problem.
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Old 10-02-2025, 01:56 PM   #5
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I read the petition. I do worry, in world of flat earthers, and Jan 6 freedom fighters that it would be challenging to establish what counts as evidence to back up a claim.

RFKj shows up saying Tylenol causes autism, and shows up with one paper showing a weak correlation. Ignoring the reviews that better controlled for the effect, and sometimes showed an opposite effect. But he does have citations for his BS, so does count as spreading lies?
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Old 10-02-2025, 04:34 PM   #6
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It's not about politics.

It's about social media. Every village used to have an idiot. Now every idiot has a village.
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Old 10-02-2025, 07:31 PM   #7
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Hmm, I think someone has warned us against establishing a ministry of truth before.
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Old 10-02-2025, 08:42 PM   #8
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I read the petition. I do worry, in world of flat earthers, and Jan 6 freedom fighters that it would be challenging to establish what counts as evidence to back up a claim.

RFKj shows up saying Tylenol causes autism, and shows up with one paper showing a weak correlation. Ignoring the reviews that better controlled for the effect, and sometimes showed an opposite effect. But he does have citations for his BS, so does count as spreading lies?
Yes, and this is the worst type of lie. It is backed with an intentional misinterpretation of the state of evidence but is also a narrowly true statement.
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