Oct 4 Waiver wire. Wild claim Rem Pitlick from NSH

[sureLoss]

per Stephen Whyno on twitter
https://twitter.com/SWhyno/status/1445091791892533256

Washington
Phoenix Copley

Columbus
Gavin Bayreuther
Jean-Francois Berube
Brendan Gaunce
Tyler Sikura

Arizona
Michael Carcone

Dallas
Nicholas Caamano

Vancouver
John Stevens
Devante Stephens
Spencer Martin
Sheldon Rempal

Winnipeg
Austin Poganski
Luke Johnson
Michael Eyssimont

Colorado
Jordan Gross

Nashville
Matt Luff
Cole Smith
Rem Pitlick
Matt Tennyson
Frederic Allard

Seattle
Alexander True
Carsen Twarynski

[Icon]

Twarynski a bit of a surprise, but only because it makes even less sense why Seattle didn't take Voracek, Gostisbehere, or JVR and instead take a guy apparently not good enough to crack their lineup.

[Harry Lime]

Rem Pitlick is Nashville's Matthew Phillips.

[HighLifeMan]

Pitlick and Allard are interesting names.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Gross

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Icon

Twarynski a bit of a surprise, but only because it makes even less sense why Seattle didn't take Voracek, Gostisbehere, or JVR and instead take a guy apparently not good enough to crack their lineup.

It's still baffling to me how badly Seattle messed up the expansion draft with certain teams.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Rem Pitlick is Nashville's Matthew Phillips.

How so? What parallels are you seeing? Pitlick has NHL size, being 4" taller and 50+ pounds heavier. Pitlick went the college route where he was a good scorer for his team, then turned pro "late." What draws this contrast?

[bax]

Originally Posted by Icon

Twarynski a bit of a surprise, but only because it makes even less sense why Seattle didn't take Voracek, Gostisbehere, or JVR and instead take a guy apparently not good enough to crack their lineup.

That’s just how valuable cap space is.

3 years at 8.25 million
2 years at 4.5 million
2 years at 7 million

Too much dough for older, middle of the lineup players

[Lanny_McDonald]

Cap space only has value if you're going to use it. Eat half of those salaries and you have the potential to garner a significant return. Taking Twarynski was just a waste of a pick and has no value in any shape of form. You're not getting anything for him because he isn't an NHL player. Those other guys, while having some warts, are NHL talent, can produce, and could return good assets with the right use of cap space (retention).

[Poe969]

If they would have taken one of those guys it could probably help some younger guys with their games, maybe sell a few more jerseys and in a couple of years trade them at the deadline for futures.

Mind. Bottling.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by Icon

Twarynski a bit of a surprise, but only because it makes even less sense why Seattle didn't take Voracek, Gostisbehere, or JVR and instead take a guy apparently not good enough to crack their lineup.

I am pulling for the Calgary kid. I'd love to see him do well.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Cap space only has value if you're going to use it. Eat half of those salaries and you have the potential to garner a significant return. Taking Twarynski was just a waste of a pick and has no value in any shape of form. You're not getting anything for him because he isn't an NHL player. Those other guys, while having some warts, are NHL talent, can produce, and could return good assets with the right use of cap space (retention).

100%

Gostisbehere's contract isn't that bad when you look at what guys signed for this offseason, and he always had big bounce back potential.

Not only that but you also had Philly who likely would have been willing to pay a pick for you to take him, since they were willing to give a pick to Arizona to take him.

So you probably could have received Gostisbehere + a 2nd (that's what Arizona got), and then with your cap space retained 50% of Gostisbehere and probably got another pick in return.

Instead you take Carson Twarynski and put him on waivers.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Cap space only has value if you're going to use it. Eat half of those salaries and you have the potential to garner a significant return. Taking Twarynski was just a waste of a pick and has no value in any shape of form. You're not getting anything for him because he isn't an NHL player. Those other guys, while having some warts, are NHL talent, can produce, and could return good assets with the right use of cap space (retention).

I just don’t think “significant returns” are out there in the market right now. Voracek was traded for an equally rough contract, they had to pay a second to get rid of Ghost, nobody was willing to take on Tarasenko.

With the stagnant cap teams just aren’t willing to take on questionable, aging players with big tickets. Not teams that want to remain flexible anyways

[Reggie Dunlop]

I was expecting More More More out of the Alexander True connection.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I was expecting More More More out of the Alexander True connection.

How do you like it? How do you like it?

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

How so? What parallels are you seeing? Pitlick has NHL size, being 4" taller and 50+ pounds heavier. Pitlick went the college route where he was a good scorer for his team, then turned pro "late." What draws this contrast?

You, like, get too hung up on people's looks, man. You have to, you know, go beyond that, into what really makes people tick. Their real core, man. Pitlick has been good at every level but, like, just can't make the cut. He's really good, but you know, just, isn't, man. It's ethereal.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I was expecting More More More out of the Alexander True connection.

If hockey doesn't work out for True, he could always join the Spandau Ballet. I know this much is true.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by bax

I just don’t think “significant returns” are out there in the market right now. Voracek was traded for an equally rough contract, they had to pay a second to get rid of Ghost, nobody was willing to take on Tarasenko.

With the stagnant cap teams just aren’t willing to take on questionable, aging players with big tickets. Not teams that want to remain flexible anyways

The problem there was the teams didn't have cap space to play with and had to trade contract for like contract. Again, cap space only has value if you can use it. Seattle had a buttload of cap space where they could have taken on these big ticket contracts, then traded them away at 50% retained for decent returns. Tell me you wouldn't roll the dice on Ghost for $2.25M a year? We just Gudbranson almost that much and he's useless at everything! You wouldn't take Voracek at $4.125M a season? A player who is a big RW that scores at a .8 PPG rate would certainly be a big lift for this team. Both of those players would return good draft picks or prospects, and all you're doing is leveraging Seattle's cap space to their and your advantage, and them recouping assets they didn't have. Francis really screwed the pooch here.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

If hockey doesn't work out for True, he could always join the Spandau Ballet. I know this much is true.

[Wish They Could Win]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

The problem there was the teams didn't have cap space to play with and had to trade contract for like contract. Again, cap space only has value if you can use it. Seattle had a buttload of cap space where they could have taken on these big ticket contracts, then traded them away at 50% retained for decent returns. Tell me you wouldn't roll the dice on Ghost for $2.25M a year? We just Gudbranson almost that much and he's useless at everything! You wouldn't take Voracek at $4.125M a season? A player who is a big RW that scores at a .8 PPG rate would certainly be a big lift for this team. Both of those players would return good draft picks or prospects, and all you're doing is leveraging Seattle's cap space to their and your advantage, and them recouping assets they didn't have. Francis really screwed the pooch here.

But maybe the owner's weren't willing to blow a bunch of money. How is their season ticket holder base and what is their operating budget on the year? I bet Francis had some guide rails he had to operate within.