A day that will live in infamy . . . . just kidding.
After 2 days of investigation into a crash site at Rosswell New Mexico. The Airforce on July 8th made a press release that they had recovered a flying disc that had landed at a ranch at Rosswell. The press followed it up with
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The many rumors regarding the flying disc became a reality yesterday when the intelligence office of the 509th Bomb group of the Eighth Air Force, Roswell Army Air Field, was fortunate enough to gain possession of a disc through the cooperation of one of the local ranchers and the sheriff's office of Chaves County.
The flying object landed on a ranch near Roswell sometime last week. Not having phone facilities, the rancher stored the disc until such time as he was able to contact the sheriff's office, who in turn notified Maj. Jesse A. Marcel of the 509th Bomb Group Intelligence Office.
Action was immediately taken and the disc was picked up at the rancher's home. It was inspected at the Roswell Army Air Field and subsequently loaned by Major Marcel to higher headquarters.[10][11]
Of course on July 9th the story was changed to, it was a wayward weather balloon.
But it really sparked the UFO is there life out there debate to a whole higher level and of course the US government and Airforce were accused of a coverup.
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I think some Roswell pages are going to be declassified soon, I'll see what's on deck for that and post back. Some of the most fascinating testimony on the subject was from Major Jesse Marcel, who was on scene for the cleanup right after the "crash". Later in life, he gave an interview saying the famous photo he posed with the crash materials was staged.
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I think some Roswell pages are going to be declassified soon, I'll see what's on deck for that and post back. Some of the most fascinating testimony on the subject was from Major Jesse Marcel, who was on scene for the cleanup right after the "crash". Later in life, he gave an interview saying the famous photo he posed with the crash materials was staged.
What is the govt going to release that is going to make any difference to what has been already said? The government can't admit that there are extraterrestrials, because if they do, that'll open up a whole keg of worms.
Not sure, but worth checking out. It's been 70+ years since it happened, but personally I think we're not going to have to wait that long to find out what went down there. No really evidence on my end as to why, but disclosure seems to be underway with the UAP Report as the first step. I feel there is some momentum here, especially if Congress (eventually) agrees to public hearings on the topic. There are a few notable people in the disclosure movement that are bound to NDA's, and public hearings can be the legal method to circumvent those as they are under oath.
The government can't admit that there are extraterrestrials, because if they do, that'll open up a whole keg of worms.
If the government had proof of extraterrestrials, I don't think that is a secret that could be kept very long, especially if more than 1,000 people have that knowledge.
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Not sure, but worth checking out. It's been 70+ years since it happened, but personally I think we're not going to have to wait that long to find out what went down there. No really evidence on my end as to why, but disclosure seems to be underway with the UAP Report as the first step. I feel there is some momentum here, especially if Congress (eventually) agrees to public hearings on the topic. There are a few notable people in the disclosure movement that are bound to NDA's, and public hearings can be the legal method to circumvent those as they are under oath.
I agree that it's worth checking out. Problem is the explanations keep changing as the years go by. First it was a crashed saucer and then a weather ballon and then some govt project with crashed dummies. I don't understand why the narative keeps changing.
I don't believe we will ever get the truth about what happened that day.
I agree that it's worth checking out. Problem is the explanations keep changing as the years go by. First it was a crashed saucer and then a weather ballon and then some govt project with crashed dummies. I don't understand why the narative keeps changing.
I don't believe we will ever get the truth about what happened that day.
I agree, but a changing narrative is symptomatic of an inability to tell the truth. Therefore, they likely created their own problem in doing so. Perhaps if they stuck with one story - including not changing it two days after the event - things wouldn't be so peculiar
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If the government had proof of extraterrestrials, I don't think that is a secret that could be kept very long, especially if more than 1,000 people have that knowledge.
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Transcript: UFOs & National Security with Luis Elizondo, Former Director, Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program
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MS. ALEMANY: And, Lue, unfortunately we only have time for one more question. But I should make it clear to our viewers that you actually signed an NDA when you were working on this at the Pentagon. Is there any scenario that would cause you to break that NDA if you feel like, for example, this report obfuscates or peddles disinformation about what the findings actually are here?
MR. ELIZONDO: No, ma’am. I will not violate my non-disclosure agreement with the government. I still maintain a security clearance. And the reason is that not because it’s my loyalty to the government, because it’s my loyalty to the American people. That contract I signed those many years ago was a promise to the American people that I would never violate their trust, period. And I can’t violate their trust in order to gain their trust. It doesn’t work that way. So, what I’s going to continue to do is doing what I’m doing now and pushing for this disclosure, pushing for the information that I know to be true because I saw it and so did my colleagues, continue to have this conversation the way I can.
Yeah, Elizondo is one of those at the front of the disclosure campaign. He did say yesterday on another interview that the 400-page AATIP Report is likely to be released because too many people have access to it. I think that one is going to be telling if it happens.
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