CP Flames 1st Round draft selection (Poll #2) - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 08:10 AM

First vote went to Sillinger, with 41% of the vote.

So with him off the table, who should the Flames select?

ForeverFlameFan · 07-09-2021, 08:18 AM

I’ll be fine with any of Sillinger/McTavish/Wallstedt. Went with McTavish again.

the_only_turek_fan · 07-09-2021, 08:24 AM

I went with the goalie.

slash&burn · 07-09-2021, 08:31 AM

If Wallstedt is available for the Flames I think he's likely the pick. From what I've read he has the highest ceiling of all of these choices.

(NHL projected) centres are more valuable than wingers so they'll likely go before 12 but if any fall I think the Flames would take them.

Flames need an upgrade on all of speed, skill and size so I feel like they'll be happy with any of these players that are available at 12. All of them seem to have at least a combo of two of these attributes. Interviews might be the determining factor.

N26 · 07-09-2021, 08:42 AM

Maybe change the thread title, I came here thinking it was a poll on who to pick at 44th overall.

dissentowner · 07-09-2021, 09:00 AM

I changed to Lucius from Lysell but would be happy with either one. The Wallstedt votes boggle my mind here. We need help more up front and on the blueline than a goalie prospect. Goalies are so hard to predict as well and despite what others say we already have a top prospect goalie in Wolf.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

I changed to Lucius from Lysell but would be happy with either one. The Wallstedt votes boggle my mind here. We need help more up front and on the blueline than a goalie prospect. Goalies are so hard to predict as well and despite what others say we already have a top prospect goalie in Wolf.

I think it's questionable how much of a top prospect Wolf is. If you can grab a franchise goalie with a first round pick, that stabilizes that position for a decade - it's a win.
All 4 goalies in the final four this year were first round selections. Wallstedt is about a sure thing as you will find in net.
Wolf is far from that.

Poe969 · 07-09-2021, 09:05 AM

If the best goalie in the draft is available you take him. Ask Tampa.

dissentowner · 07-09-2021, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think it's questionable how much of a top prospect Wolf is. If you can grab a franchise goalie with a first round pick, that stabilizes that position for a decade - it's a win.
All 4 goalies in the final four this year were first round selections. Wallstedt is about a sure thing as you will find in net.
Wolf is far from that.

It isn't a win when your window to try and contend is the next 2-3 years. No position busts more for a high pick than goalies. Dipietro was a sure thing in net too. As for stabilizing the position in net for a decade it can take some goalies almost a decade to even realize their potential. We have one in our net right now. As for Wolf I am not sure what more the kid has to do to show he is a high end prospect, his numbers are outstanding. All he does is win.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't a win when your window to try and contend is the next 2-3 years. No position busts more for a high pick than goalies. Dipietro was a sure thing in net too. As for stabilizing the position in net for a decade it can take some goalies almost a decade to even realize their potential. We have one in our net right now. As for Wolf I am not sure what more the kid has to do to show he is a high end prospect, his numbers are outstanding. All he does is win.

No one available at 12 is going to help them in a material way in the next 2-3 years. Nor should that be the mindset going in. You don't draft to fill current roster holes.
Wolf has put up great numbers but it's all about projectable abilities. And his size is the biggest concern there.

Bingo · 07-09-2021, 09:23 AM

Wouldn't have guessed that Sillinger would edge out McTavish for CPers, ... that's super interesting already.

Scroopy Noopers · 07-09-2021, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

It isn't a win when your window to try and contend is the next 2-3 years. No position busts more for a high pick than goalies. Dipietro was a sure thing in net too. As for stabilizing the position in net for a decade it can take some goalies almost a decade to even realize their potential. We have one in our net right now. As for Wolf I am not sure what more the kid has to do to show he is a high end prospect, his numbers are outstanding. All he does is win.

DiPietro would have been fine had he not been repeatedly injured for multiple seasons. He isn’t a good example of a reason why not to pick a goalie early, as his ability had nothing to do with his career ending. You can’t exactly scout that.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wouldn't have guessed that Sillinger would edge out McTavish for CPers, ... that's super interesting already.

Me too - I debated even including him as I figure he'll be gone.

VladtheImpaler · 07-09-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wouldn't have guessed that Sillinger would edge out McTavish for CPers, ... that's super interesting already.

I think people on here have been locked in on Sillinger for weeks, and nobody seriously considered McTavish because he will be gone. Now, when voting, people going with "our" familiar guy.

ForeverFlameFan · 07-09-2021, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Wouldn't have guessed that Sillinger would edge out McTavish for CPers, ... that's super interesting already.

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Me too - I debated even including him as I figure he'll be gone.

It never hurts to draft center prospects, especially ones this high. Surely one of Zary or McTavish/Sillinger (assuming we grab one of them) can become a bonafide top 6 C for us.

SportsJunky · 07-09-2021, 10:20 AM

Bader's latest projections have a ledge at #15 and another at #25.

Interesting to see McTavish at 22 and Power at 6.

Also interesting to see who he compares Lucius with.
Lucius missed a portion of the year due to a significant knee injury. However, after coming in about half way through the year, he was really good out of the gates. If the knee isn’t a concern I would feel comfortable taking Lucius inside the top 10. The high equivalency in his draft year combined with the younger age makes him reasonable at the back end of the top 10. Not all of the players that look like Lucius hit big but most become formidable Top 6 or Top 9 players. Some recent comparables include: Sam Bennett, Arthur Kaliyev, Jonathan Huberdeau, Michael Dal Colle, Evander Kane, James Van Riemsdyk and Anthony Beauvillier.

dissentowner · 07-09-2021, 10:23 AM

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DiPietro would have been fine had he not been repeatedly injured for multiple seasons. He isn’t a good example of a reason why not to pick a goalie early, as his ability had nothing to do with his career ending. You can’t exactly scout that.

Ok, how about:
Jack Campbell
Al Montoya
Chet Pickard
Malcolm Subban
Kari Lehtonen
Corey Schneider
Trevor Kidd
Leland Irving
Jason Bacashihua
Pascal Leclaire
Jamie Storr
Dan Blackburn
Hannu Toivonen
Brent Krahn

Shall I go on?

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 10:26 AM

Kari Lehtonen and Corey Schneider were both legit #1s in this league
As was Pascal Leclaire (actually that's a reach - he wasn't for very long)
Dan Blackburn was an emerging star who's career was de-railed by injuries.

Yes goalies bust. But again - we are talking about a different pedigree of goalie prospect here. Franchise, potentially even generational

dissentowner · 07-09-2021, 10:28 AM

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Kari Lehtonen and Corey Schneider were both legit #1s in this league
As was Pascal Leclaire
Dan Blackburn was an emerging star who's career was de-railed by injuries.

Yes goalies bust. But again - we are talking about a different pedigree of goalie prospect here. Franchise, potentially even generational

Scouts say he is not as good a prospect as Knight or Askarov. We have bigger needs than a goalie prospect.

FlamesAddiction · 07-09-2021, 10:32 AM

I think part of it is because selecting a goaltender in the 1st is an all or nothing game. At least with a skater, there is a larger grey area between being an NHLer and being a complete bust. For a goalie in the 1st round, anything but a starting goalie for a sustained period of time, would be considered a bust as back-up goalies are easy to acquire outside of the draft. For a forward, a middle six player picked anywhere outside of the top 5 is a pretty good pick.

The other thing about goalies is that it seems like pretty good goalies can emerge from anywhere in the draft, so burning a 1st on one seems unnecessary most of the time.