Election!

[flamingchina]

Time for an election folks
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ote051128.html

Just get out and vote. I predict many feeling with be hurt, and lots of yelling, and thats just around the christmas dinner table.
Anyways, Mods, maybe we should make a sticky election thread? try and keep it all in one place?

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm just walking away from all election debate, feelings get hurt, people get called all kinds of foul names and nobody's minds change, and half the people don't vote anyways.

[Footscray]

I'm just choked I have to listen to these bags of horse **** for the next two months. Harper creeping everyone out, Martin dripping grease and Layton leaving us wondering how he balances his own checkbook.

[FireFly]

I love a good election debate. Key word there is good.

[CFENT]

Originally Posted by Footscray

I'm just choked I have to listen to these bags of horse **** for the next two months. Harper creeping everyone out, Martin dripping grease and Layton leaving us wondering how he balances his own checkbook.

lol how true.

[RougeUnderoos]

I don't quite understand all the "I don't want a Christmas election" blabber.

What's the difference? The people that will pay attention to it will pay attention to it. Those who don't, won't. If I don't want to hear them yammering on incessantly, I won't listen. Problem solved.

[Footscray]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I don't quite understand all the "I don't want a Christmas election" blabber.

What's the difference? The people that will pay attention to it will pay attention to it. Those who don't, won't. If I don't want to hear them yammering on incessantly, I won't listen. Problem solved.

Everyone's poed because they think nothing is gonna change anyway, it'll just be another minority again and they will have to work together AGAIN back where we are now, it's just alot of posturing and self promotion.

[FlamesAddiction]

So is this Harper's last go at it? If he can't beat the Liberals now, then I think the Reform/Alliance/Conservative party needs to change leaders.

Seriously, if the party under his leadership cannot defeat the Liberals after everything that has happened in the past year, then what good is he?

[jimmy11]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So is this Harper's last go at it? If he can't beat the Liberals now, then I think the Reform/Alliance/Conservative party needs to change leaders.

Seriously, if the party under his leadership cannot defeat the Liberals after everything that has happened in the past year, then what good is he?

I 100% think that is true, and we will see McKay in there folllowing a Conservative loss.

I also think this is the same for Paul Martin. If he looses he will ahve to step down and let some one else give it a shot.

[evman150]

I love elections. I'm looking forward to the ads.



And I'm not going to be able vote Green. My riding's MP (Lib) is retiring after 11 years. So I'm going to have to support the new guy, cause he's going to need all the votes he can get. Although I think it's pretty inevitable my riding will go NDP, with the Tories getting about 10% of the votes.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by evman150

I love elections. I'm looking forward to the ads.



And I'm not going to be able vote Green. My riding's MP (Lib) is retiring after 11 years. So I'm going to have to support the new guy, cause he's going to need all the votes he can get. Although I think it's pretty inevitable my riding will go NDP, with the Tories getting about 10% of the votes.

So why not vote Green if the Liberal crash dummy has no hope...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

So is this Harper's last go at it? If he can't beat the Liberals now, then I think the Reform/Alliance/Conservative party needs to change leaders.

Seriously, if the party under his leadership cannot defeat the Liberals after everything that has happened in the past year, then what good is he?

Historically, I believe that is the general trend. Lose two elections, and you are out.

It is a no-lose situation for the Conservatives. There will be a minority government, but...

A Conservative minority gives Harper and the CPC a chance to prove Liberal lies for what they are.

A Liberal minority will lead to a new leader that easterners can accept (or, in short: an easterner), and another election within two years.

[Ranchlander]

Sadly the conservatives will never win a majority as long as they are painted as Bush the 2nd ,(Which every Liberal in the future will do) unless they change their platforms, or start flipflopping like the Liberals. Laws of the land. Ontario and Quebec have a stranglehold.

[Daradon]

Liberals are going to win another minority government.

Harper doesn't have the charisma needed to win the leadership. (Not that it should be about charisma, but it is)

It's a sad state of affairs if you have all this ammunition to take out the Liberals and you can't get it done. The conservative party is a joke right now. There are lots of great MP's in the party, but they party in general has no direction, no real agenda other than 'we are the alternate to the cheating, lying, Liberals.' They won't win an election until they make a very visable shift at removing their socially conservative attitudes. Whether their current stigma is derserved or not the only thing that is going to help them is offering more socially moderate policies.

The old conservative party used to be called the Progressive Conservatives, and it was for a reason. This new Conservative party has not shown that it is, or wants to be progressive and until they do, the majority of the country, and a few people in their own stronghold, will see them as a group of backwater hicks. (again whether it's deserved or not)

[Resolute 14]

If it was about Charisma, the Greens would form the next government. I dont know who their leader is, but he has to have more charisma than Harper, Martin and Layton - combined.

[flamingchina]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Liberals are going to win another minority government.

Harper doesn't have the charisma needed to win the leadership. (Not that it should be about charisma, but it is)

It's a sad state of affairs if you have all this ammunition to take out the Liberals and you can't get it done. The conservative party is a joke right now. There are lots of great MP's in the party, but they party in general has no direction, no real agenda other than 'we are the alternate to the cheating, lying, Liberals.' They won't win an election until they make a very visable shift at removing their socially conservative attitudes. Whether their current stigma is derserved or not the only thing that is going to help them is offering more socially moderate policies.)

Sadly Martin has basically no charisma or presence either.Have you seen him speak when he doesn't have a speech in front of him...

I really think we should get rid of this first past the post nonsense.. move to a system like they have in New Zeland (single transferable vote http://www.stv.govt.nz/ )

[ericschand]

Sadly, nothing is going to change. No matter who gets in, they will
rake the system for our tax money, and lie through their teeth when caught.

I'm convinced that there is only one way to change it. Vote anyone but
Tories or Grits. They've become as lackadaisical as Republicans
and Democrats in the USA. They don't care, as long as they get
themselves set up.

You really think Martin cares about a hundred million here
or there? You really think the Conservatives are going to push
him on it?

Heck, the only push from the Conservatives is so *they* can get
into power, and *they* can control the hundred million here or
there.

Doesn't matter if it's NDP, Green, heck Rhino, for all I care.
Just vote someone else in.

4 years, we're stuck, but things will change, because of the fear put
into them by voting the "establishment" out.

However, try to convince an entire population of it :-)

ers

[Sylvanfan]

The one thing Bloc leaders always seemed to have over the other parties is charasmatic leaders and clearly defined objectives. I may disagree with Gilles Duceppe's platform. But if I had to pick one guy out of the bunch to represent my views in the eye of the public, I think I would want someone like Duceppe. Not the other dummy's that represent the three so called main parties. I've had enough of federal politics and the amount of money being wasted on pointless elections. I'm voting Green in this election, and will continue to until someone else steps up and gives me a real reason to vote for them or their party. Right now it's all about what the other guys will do that is bad or have done that was bad, as opposed to what they can do that is good.

[Jayems]

Who the hell cares, Liberals will win beacuse of pussies out east that dont know any better. Not even news worthy anymore. Martin will be back at the helm throwing our money away in no time.

[lucid]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The one thing Bloc leaders always seemed to have over the other parties is charasmatic leaders and clearly defined objectives. I may disagree with Gilles Duceppe's platform. But if I had to pick one guy out of the bunch to represent my views in the eye of the public, I think I would want someone like Duceppe.

Well put. He comes across as being a pretty knowledgeable man, and has the charisma needed for politics/leadership to boot. Too bad he's with the Bloc.
The fall of the minority government was inevitable. It was just a matter of 'when.' To tell you the truth, I've been more concerned with the PQ election (I'm probably in the minority with that one...)