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Bingo · 02-09-2021, 11:22 PM

Game Takes: Flames 3 Jets 2

- most complete game of season
- Calgary has 90+% of high danger chances
- top nine rolling again
- Flames win two in a row

Enoch Root · 02-09-2021, 11:55 PM

This isn't directed at you - you're just the messenger here - but I find it pretty difficult to believe that the Jets had only one shot from the slot in this game (5 on 5)

Reggie Dunlop · 02-10-2021, 12:15 AM

Ray Edwards has done a remarkable job for a guy who I mistakenly thought was a fill-in behind the bench (thought he'd go back to player development after the season). A fortuitous result.

Jeff Lebowski · 02-10-2021, 01:12 AM

https://twitter.com/user/status/1359387457079312384

I like what coach says here about VAN. They will be ready. Lots of people think they are down but you can't take any opponent unseriously. It's got to be about building and working in order to play well.

These players are smart so they obviously know it but can't read stuff or listen to narratives and let things subconsciously slip. At same time I'm hoping they feel confident and have fun while at the same time having humility around the game. Take every opponent seriously and play hard regardless of score, venue, whatever

DeluxeMoustache · 02-10-2021, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

https://twitter.com/user/status/1359387457079312384

I like what coach says here about VAN. They will be ready. Lots of people think they are down but you can't take any opponent unseriously. It's got to be about building and working in order to play well.

These players are smart so they obviously know it but can't read stuff or listen to narratives and let things subconsciously slip. At same time I'm hoping they feel confident and have fun while at the same time having humility around the game. Take every opponent seriously and play hard regardless of score, venue, whatever

Far out, man. I’ll be there

Erick Estrada · 02-10-2021, 06:54 AM

I thought they played well and maybe it's me but I felt there were several breakdowns defensively where Markstrom had to bail out the team.

Textcritic · 02-10-2021, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This isn't directed at you - you're just the messenger here - but I find it pretty difficult to believe that the Jets had only one shot from the slot in this game (5 on 5)

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. The goal off the rush was a HD chance, and Markstrom made two or three stellar saves on shots from the slot. I personally thought the game was very even. Just great, fast, hard hockey between two good teams for a full 60 mins.

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Red · 02-10-2021, 08:45 AM

The Jets PP had some great chances so maybe that's what makes these stats look strange. 5 on 5 to me looked pretty even. Neither coach can question their player's effort.

Bingo · 02-10-2021, 08:59 AM

It's not one shot from the slot (home plate).

It's one shot from the slot (home plate) aided by a direct pass, deflection or rebound.

Shots from home plate of any fashion were 24-10 for Calgary.

Textcritic · 02-10-2021, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

It's not one shot from the slot (home plate).

It's one shot from the slot (home plate) aided by a direct pass, deflection or rebound.

Shots from home plate of any fashion were 24-10 for Calgary.

Even by that definition I can recall more than one of those.

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old-fart · 02-10-2021, 09:04 AM

Seemed like the most complete game of the season to me. This team has looked great for stretches, and looked bad for stretches. Last night they were of the "great" variety for much more than the "bad".

Having said that, they still seem to get pinned in their own zone too much, especially frustrating when they have the puck and a chance to clear only to give it away at the blue line so the opposition can continue the cycle. They also seem to give up far more odd man rushes than they get. The second goal for the Jets last night was a poor decision by Valimaki that led to another odd man rush from the blue line in.

Great continued play by Markstrom though. He's a gamer.

Overall, great progress by this team in the last 5 periods of play. Hopefully they can keep it up and build on it.

Bingo · 02-10-2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Even by that definition I can recall more than one of those.

Here is another site with a shot map.

Near the bottom.

Doesn't make the core data any less or more valid, but at least shows why. They didn't get close enough. They were deeper in the slot.

Hockey Reference Summary

old-fart · 02-10-2021, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Here is another site with a shot map.

Near the bottom.

Doesn't make the core data any less or more valid, but at least shows why. They didn't get close enough. They were deeper in the slot.

Hockey Reference Summary

That is a cool heat map showing the shots. Definitely supports the storyline that the Flames had higher quality scoring chances during the game.

Bingo · 02-10-2021, 09:13 AM

I actually pasted in the wrong link ... it was the same data.

Fixed now.

old-fart · 02-10-2021, 09:17 AM

Textcritic · 02-10-2021, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

Here is another site with a shot map.

Near the bottom.

Doesn't make the core data any less or more valid, but at least shows why. They didn't get close enough. They were deeper in the slot.

Hockey Reference Summary

Wow. Thanks for that.

That definitely illustrates the differences in quality chances. I still feel the 10-1 HD figure is misleading as to how tight this game felt. Like I said above, this was easily the most entertaining game of the season, and I think so because of how well I thought both teams played.

Bingo · 02-10-2021, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

Wow. Thanks for that.

That definitely illustrates the differences in quality chances. I still feel the 10-1 HD figure is misleading as to how tight this game felt. Like I said above, this was easily the most entertaining game of the season, and I think so because of how well I thought both teams played.

You bet.

Honestly not trying to sell the accuracy of the stats .... would hope they're pretty tight, but I'm sure there are issues from time to time.

But if you're shooting the puck from too far out you're not going to register either a scoring chance or a high danger chance.

The Flames as a team are moving up and into the top 5-7 in most categories for splits five on five now.

The lag has been the shooting percentage which is slowly coming around with some production five on five in the last two games.

Enoch Root · 02-10-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

It's not one shot from the slot (home plate).

It's one shot from the slot (home plate) aided by a direct pass, deflection or rebound.

Shots from home plate of any fashion were 24-10 for Calgary.

So a high danger chance has to meet one of these criteria? That adds a subjective factor to it (what constitutes a direct pass?) Also, that would mean that a breakaway isn't a high danger chance.

Textcritic · 02-10-2021, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bingo

You bet.

Honestly not trying to sell the accuracy of the stats .... would hope they're pretty tight, but I'm sure there are issues from time to time...

I never thought you were trying to sell them, and I find for then most part that the advanced metrics pretty accurately reflect what I am seeing in the game. But last night was one of those instances where I still think they are not all that accurately reflective of what happened.

I definitely appreciate their inclusion in your game reports.

Enoch Root · 02-10-2021, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by old-fart

Seemed like the most complete game of the season to me. This team has looked great for stretches, and looked bad for stretches. Last night they were of the "great" variety for much more than the "bad".

Having said that, they still seem to get pinned in their own zone too much, especially frustrating when they have the puck and a chance to clear only to give it away at the blue line so the opposition can continue the cycle. They also seem to give up far more odd man rushes than they get. The second goal for the Jets last night was a poor decision by Valimaki that led to another odd man rush from the blue line in.

Great continued play by Markstrom though. He's a gamer.

Overall, great progress by this team in the last 5 periods of play. Hopefully they can keep it up and build on it.

Want to address this because it goes hand in hand with the heat map, IMO.

Defensively, the Flames have been doing a terrific job of keeping the opposition to the outside (as the heat map indicates). They collapse all 5 guys, keeping the wingers down low. This inhibits the cross-ice pass through the slot.

The downside of that, is that, because they are collapsed, the opposition can maintain possession for long periods. Also, it doesn't facilitate a good breakout. When the Flames get the puck, it's over to the boards at the half wall, where the winger tries to get it past the opposing Dman. However, they are sitting on that and can easily pinch, resulting in more zone time.

So that's the good and the bad of it, with respect to their defensively play. It is kind of like Hartley's defensive zone system - collapsing into the slot. However, I think they are better at keeping the quality chances down. It also suits Markstrom's game to a tee.

So I am very torn. The defensive zone time is so painful. But they do a fairly good job of not giving up the slot. Their goals against is 16th in the league at 2.75 - exactly the middle of the pack.