In non apocolypse related news...jesus's childhood home may have been found
I dont think it's controversial to believe in an historical jesus whatever you think of his divinity. Neat if this can be substantiated. Pretty circumstantial but it's fun to speculate. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-engl...shire-55061233
I dont think it's controversial to believe in an historical jesus whatever you think of his divinity. Neat if this can be substantiated. Pretty circumstantial but it's fun to speculate. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-engl...shire-55061233
It is a little bit, most historians not taking a strictly theological approach would say he is more like King Arthur an amalgam of many different characters and stories of the fulfilment prophecies. Mainly due to some of the striking coincidences and lack of contemporary accounts. (easy examples the census story does not align with any historic reality but because of prophecy they needed a Nazarene born in Bethlehem so the myth found a vehicle to drift in that direction, or that his sur name literally means anointed one it's kinda like naming your bad guy Dr Evil)
I didn't read your article but listened to some commentary on this find a few days ago, the site has long been known to house roman era settlements, and rumored to be the home of Jesus' family. Big problems with the story are this the evidence required to date they site was mostly destroyed because it was not professional excavated, and the new piece of evidence that his was the house of god is that the craftsmenship on the the house was high quality and obviously home to a great carpenter like Joseph.
It is a little bit, most historians not taking a strictly theological approach would say he is more like King Arthur an amalgam of many different characters and stories of the fulfilment prophecies. Mainly due to some of the striking coincidences and lack of contemporary accounts. (easy examples the census story does not align with any historic reality but because of prophecy they needed a Nazarene born in Bethlehem so the myth found a vehicle to drift in that direction, or that his sur name literally means anointed one it's kinda like naming your bad guy Dr Evil)
I didn't read your article but listened to some commentary on this find a few days ago, the site has long been known to house roman era settlements, and rumored to be the home of Jesus' family. Big problems with the story are this the evidence required to date they site was mostly destroyed because it was not professional excavated, and the new piece of evidence that his was the house of god is that the craftsmenship on the the house was high quality and obviously home to a great carpenter like Joseph.
What is your source for this stance, because I don't think this is the case. The "Jesus Myth" position is actually the outlier now.
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It is a little bit, most historians not taking a strictly theological approach would say he is more like King Arthur an amalgam of many different characters and stories of the fulfilment prophecies. Mainly due to some of the striking coincidences and lack of contemporary accounts. (easy examples the census story does not align with any historic reality but because of prophecy they needed a Nazarene born in Bethlehem so the myth found a vehicle to drift in that direction, or that his sur name literally means anointed one it's kinda like naming your bad guy Dr Evil)
I didn't read your article but listened to some commentary on this find a few days ago, the site has long been known to house roman era settlements, and rumored to be the home of Jesus' family. Big problems with the story are this the evidence required to date they site was mostly destroyed because it was not professional excavated, and the new piece of evidence that his was the house of god is that the craftsmenship on the the house was high quality and obviously home to a great carpenter like Joseph.
I never thought Joseph was much of a Carpenter, after all he didnt make enough money to bribe his way out of schlepping his wife on a Donkey across Israel for a census, that doesn't speak to a master craftsmen
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Location: A simple man leading a complicated life....
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So he grew his hair long and thew away his comb
Headed back to Jerusalem to find mom, dad and home
But when he got there the cupboard was bare
Except for an old black man with a fishing rod
He said "Whatcha gonna be when you grow up?"
Jesus said, "God"
Oh my God, what have I gotten myself into?
I'm a human corkscrew, all my wine is blood
They're gonna kill me mama, they don't like me bud
So Jesus went to Heaven
And he went there awful quick
All them people killed him
And he wasn't even sick
It always amazed me with the wide variety of writings in the first century that every writer failed to mention Jesus or "Yeshua" until 6 decades after his death.
Writers cramp?
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It always amazed me with the wide variety of writings in the first century that every writer failed to mention Jesus or "Yeshua" until 6 decades after his death.
Writers cramp?
libtard snowflake fake media bias
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It always amazed me with the wide variety of writings in the first century that every writer failed to mention Jesus or "Yeshua" until 6 decades after his death.
Writers cramp?
I don't believe this is at all true. While the Gospels are the first books in the New Testament, they are not the first books written.
Much of the New Testament is attributed to St. Paul. He died approximately 30 years after Jesus (if Jesus existed) and his earliest work in the bible is often dated around 50 AD, making it approximately 15 years after the death of Jesus.
Now Paul never met Jesus, but based on his writings it becomes almost unquestionable that a decade or two after Jesus' death, early groups of Christians had formed. Paul was one of them. He also wrote of persecuting followers of Jesus prior to Jesus' death and prior to Paul converting.
So now you have a guy who was alive during Jesus' life saying he was persecuting early Christians (or at least radical Hebrews following new traditions) prior to the crucifixion.
Then he's involved in the Council of Jerusalem which, while debated, is believed by historical scholars to have occurred around 20 years after Jesus death. Again, showing that there is now groups of people believing in Jesus shortly after his death if nothing else. That council also included the apostles James and Peter who were followers of Jesus while he was still alive (or in James case perhaps Jesus' brother).
The lack of writing probably has more to do with the fact that these were a small group of poor disenfranchised people who were the early Christians. If they could write at all, they still had to fear crucifixion for their writings.
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Paul's letters aren't really debated by historical scholars. They exist.
Whether they are fiction or non-fiction sure, absolutely, but whether they existed and when they were written (at least the 7) aren't debated much.
So Paul, as one of many early Christians, was writing about Jesus 15 years after his alleged death and we have the evidence. Again, whether Jesus existed or not, and certainly whether he was divine or not, is debated but Paul talking about Jesus' resurrection ~50 AD is not.
Textcritic will come in and correct us, I'm sure, but again, I'm just disputing your argument that no one wrote of him until 60 years after his death.
Oral tradition is huge in any regard. Hawaii didn't even have written language by the time Cook landed. So expecting a bunch of poor uneducated early-Christians to be writing a bunch isn't really reasonable, we know they existed again (in that they were followers of this new branch of Judaism shooting out around 30AD).
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This doesn't sound like a religious fanatic at all lol.
He sounds susceptible to buying rhode and fields products...and if that's not his cup of tea I've got a great business opportunity he needs to come to a meeting for.
Whether a historical Jesus existed or not, I'm not taking advice on how to live my life from a book that was written before anyone knew where the sun went at night.
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Whether a historical Jesus existed or not, I'm not taking advice on how to live my life from a book that was written before anyone knew where the sun went at night.
This thread wasn't asking you about your religious or moral beliefs. It is about an archeological finding. Hopefully hieroglyphics don't cause you to make a declaration when someone posts about another tomb being discovered in Egypt.
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This thread wasn't asking you about your religious or moral beliefs. It is about an archeological finding. Hopefully hieroglyphics don't cause you to make a declaration when someone posts about another tomb being discovered in Egypt.
My post was an aside related to an archeological finding. The archeological finding is supposed to be in support of said book. If you don't like it keep scrolling.
My post was an aside related to an archeological finding. The archeological finding is supposed to be in support of said book. If you don't like it keep scrolling.
Or you could just not come into a thread and post about a topic that clearly bothers you so much. It seems like that would be easier because no one really cares if you're athiest or religious.
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In non apocolypse related news...jesus's childhood home may have been found
