Capitals trade to review

[TheScorpion]

To NYI

Ondrej Palat

To Washington

Brent Seabrook
AJ Greer
Alex Yelesin
Top-28 pick in 2021

Gives me another top-six forward and clears some salary. Gives Washington a top-4 dman with an excellent DF rating, a couple good prospects and a first.

[Swayze11]

I think you forgot to include this top-4 dman you speak of. Typo perhaps?

[TheScorpion]

Any guy with a 78 DF belongs in a top-4 somewhere

[Jiri Hrdina]

Don't you already owe the Caps a 2021 1st?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Any guy with a 78 DF belongs in a top-4 somewhere

74, actually. Either way, top 4 D? What year is it?!

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Don't you already owe the Caps a 2021 1st?

Yup. I always limit myself to two owed picks in the first round at any given time. Just so happens that both of them happen to be with the Caps right now... given the renewed strength of my asset base and the cap compliance of my team I don't anticipate any trouble satisfying either condition... I've dealt with far far worse.

[Swayze11]

joking aside, I think the deal is okay. Seabrook is bad but hes a pending UFA so it really just breaks down to a 1st for Palat so I think its okay.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Do we need a rule governing owed picks and how many each team can have? It presents risk for the league as that is something a future GM has to clean-up.

Any input/thoughts?

[TheScorpion]

It might not be a bad idea. Maybe say a GM can only owe two picks in either of the top two rounds at a time? I think that's reasonable and not insurmountable -- every team in the league has supplementary assets that can be worth two firsts or two seconds.

From my perspective, I've never had an issue owing picks and making sure the payment is ultimately received. I have always kept my conditions in check. Edit: in fact, while this deal does, in theory, dig me into a bit of a hole in terms of owing picks, it also helps to get me out of two others -- the cap, and my oversized AHL roster.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do we need a rule governing owed picks and how many each team can have? It presents risk for the league as that is something a future GM has to clean-up.

Any input/thoughts?

I think limiting owed 1st picks wouldn't be a bad idea. I mean, I don't really see a problem in this case because I have no doubt that Scorp can handle that ... he's shown time and time again that he can trade himself out of the holes he's dug for himself lol. But I understand if as a league you're worried about that.

as for the deal: what Swayze said. It's all about the 1st rounder and I think that's okay for Palat. The other guys don't amount to a lot.

[Swayze11]

The only reason why I don't want restrictions put in place is it will limit trading. Scrop has delivered on all of his conditions so I think its okay but it would really suck if he just left and didn't at the very least clean up the conditions.

I think worse case scenario, we could technically have a commish handle 2 teams to take care of the conditions?

[TheScorpion]

Leaving without satisfying my conditions would be incredibly selfish and I don't plan on ever doing that. Even earlier this summer when I was planning on leaving at the end of 2020-21 the first thing I did was immediately clean up all of my conditions, and I ended up doing that within two weeks

But my hope is to be the Isles' GM until I die (the poor fans!).

[Jiri Hrdina]

OK we are going to process this but reserve the right to reject any deal where a GM has too many go-forward conditional picks owed.

[TheScorpion]

Sounds like a plan. Thanks for keeping things running smoothly Jiri

[simmer2]

The main learning point for a New GM is when they trade for a special condition, it does a couple of things

1) you generally don't get that asset until right before it is due...so you lose out of an asset for a large chunk of the year
2) a Top 28 or a Top 75 pick or whatever is typically as close to the low end as possible.

So just be aware of the implications is all

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by simmer2

The main learning point for a New GM is when they trade for a special condition, it does a couple of things

1) you generally don't get that asset until right before it is due...so you lose out of an asset for a large chunk of the year
2) a Top 28 or a Top 75 pick or whatever is typically as close to the low end as possible.

So just be aware of the implications is all

Good points.
My general approach on condition picks is as follows
- Make the pick mid round. So for instance top 14, which is mid round for our drat given less teams. To your point, if you specify any number, assume you are getting a pick right around there
- Make sure the timeline is very clear. Don't make a condition like "ASAP" as that just creates problems
- To your point, don't assume the GM will trade you the first pick they get, unless you specify that.

Basically above all else be as clear as possible in what the condition is.

[TheScorpion]

In this case I think Palat is worth a late first. I think saying top-28 in this instance is more than fair