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Old 08-28-2019, 05:15 PM   #1
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If you’re like me, and still convinced that a sizeable contract needs to be shipped out, and you’re also like me, in that you’d still prefer to gain something other than cap space...

I guess what I’m saying is, if you want to move some $$ but you don’t want to just have the movement of those $$ be the only worthwhile return, then who do you move?

To me, now that Valimaki is out, there are only two contracts that we can possibly move out in order to make room and not do a ton of damage to our depth:

Backlund
Frolik


Since the primary goal is to shed $$, then ideally we’d want some combo of picks/prospects in return. If the secondary goal is to actively make the organization better, then the trade option has be Backlund over Frolik.

So which would you do? Dump cap space and settle for whatever you can get back (trade Frolik), or dump cap space and get a decent pick/prospect in return (trade Backlund)?

In order to answer that question, a precursor has to be answered: do we have a player that can absorb enough of Backlund’s role to allow us to turn a potential “get what we can” deal into a “get something we want” deal?

Is Ryan that player, and if so, who fills Ryan’s current role?
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:20 PM   #2
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Backlunds not done developing Tkachuk yet.
And the only Center that should be dangled is Janko and that's to upgrade his slot. We have 4 nhl centers but if any of them go down we have to move Lindholm or Bennett to C or gamble that Dube is ready.

Backs isnt done here yet. And honestly, I think you slay morale moving that guy as well. Business is business but moving some players blows up the room in a not so good way.
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:24 PM   #3
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For me its to free up cap it's Frolik, Jankowski and Czarnik
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:30 PM   #4
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Monahan
Ryan
Jankowski

No.

You build good teams by having solid depth at key positions. Trading Backlund turns us into an also-ran. Trading Ryan is almost as bad.

The cap will be solved. And we won't need to dismantle the team to do it.
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I don't think Ryan could handle Backlund's minutes and matchups for an extended period of time-at least not with the same proficiency.
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:42 PM   #6
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Re: Ryan being able to do Backlund’s job



Backlund is about as indispensable as any non-Johnny forward to me

I disagree heavily with the premise that another contract needs to be moved out, and if one does, it should have been Hamonic long before anyone else, though that ship has sailed with the unnecessary Stone buyout. Tkachuk at 7.5 and Mangiapane at sub-1, and it fits. And I am confident BT can pull those off.
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Old 08-28-2019, 05:45 PM   #7
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I’m trading Ryan before Backlund.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:07 PM   #8
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Jankowskis development was never going to be linear. Im no longer holding out hope that he's the next Joe Thornton, but I think there's more there than what we've seen.

Hes still a guy you can move around the lineup too.

With Dube and Mangiapane ready for more minutes, Frolik is still the guy that needs to be moved.

If all of a sudden you need to move a center to get Tkachuk signed, we're in trouble.
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Big no to trading Backlund to free up cap space no chance Ryan can fill that role for 82 games.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:18 PM   #10
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Absolutely no to moving Backlund.... move Ryan instead.

Monahan
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:18 PM   #11
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Yeah, if you look at Jankowski’s ice time, line mates and utilization, he has damn fine results. He got over 15 minutes of ice time just 14 times, and got under 10 minutes 14 times as well.

A 3/4 line centre with that little ice time, that gets 14 goals and 32 points, and has been slowly but steadily developing.. well, that is a valuable asset

I think a lot of people forget what most bottom 6 players actually do
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Trying to think of a game last year when I left thinking holy crap was Backlund amazing tonight...
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:29 PM   #13
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Trying to think of a game last year when I left thinking holy crap was Backlund amazing tonight...
I definitely remember a few games where he was. Even more the season before. To free up cap we trade Frolik, even if we have to package a pick to do it. Trading Backlund would be an absolutely awful idea... you can only have so many holes in a roster, centre is a bad place to have one.
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Monahan
Ryan
Jankowski

No.

You build good teams by having solid depth at key positions. Trading Backlund turns us into an also-ran. Trading Ryan is almost as bad.

The cap will be solved. And we won't need to dismantle the team to do it.
But now that we have Oiler Skills Competition Fastest Skater competitor Milan Lucic at #1 RW our center depth looks like:

Monahan
Lindholm
Backlund
Ryan
Jankowski
Dube

Too many
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:33 PM   #15
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Trying to think of a game last year when I left thinking holy crap was Backlund amazing tonight...
I don't think that's the right metric. I'm not a Backlund fanboy, I was prepared to be amazed when they drafted him and he never panned out as a dazzler.

But he's smart, responsible, and super hardworking.

I'm not sure what game it was last year, but I watched Backlund work a puck for about 20 seconds on the half-boards in the offensive zone. It allowed all new flames to get on the ice and the other team was able to change only one or two guys, because the play was deep in their zone and Backs was just dogging the puck. He could have dumped it, went for a change. That's the James Neal approach. But instead he worked like hell, kept possession, and made things good for the guys coming on.

I don't trade that guy.
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Absolutely trade Ryan before Backlund. Backlund is heinously underrated.

In an ideal world, though, you don't trade either. Having both of them in the middle-six is a terrific luxury.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:52 PM   #17
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Let's not forget that Backlund was 4th in Selke voting three seasons ago, 8th in Selke voting last year, and he shows up when it counts every time.

Replacing him with Derek Ryan would be a joke... no offense to Ryan
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I am not the biggest Backlund fan but we need him unless a legit 2nd line C is coming back.
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To follow up Scorpion, Backlund is heinously underrated on this forum. Among hockey people in the NHL I'm confident he is well-regarded.

If he was on offer the return would be quite good.
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