Newborn baby may be the first to be registered ‘gender unknown’

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/393442...by-registered/

A PARENT who identifies as a “non-binary trans person” is demanding their baby is given the world’s first “gender unknown” birth certificate.

Canadian Kori Doty, who has a moustache and claims to be neither male or female, has been fighting to keep Searyl Atli’s gender off government records since giving birth last November.

If you want to convince me that gender identity is hard wired into our brain, a biological function that during birth can be messed up and that's why .05% of the population polled has these issues, you will have my buy in. I'd likely treat it as a mental disorder though, and would want that condition to be cured and perhaps something we could "inoculate" against in the future.

If you want to convince me there's nothing about gender that is biological, and it's strictly a societal construct, you've lost me. Science doesn't agree with that, and is pretty solidly against it. Take a biology class.

This woman has essentially given this child a 100% chance to have gender identity issues against the small .05~% chance that they will have a legitimate gender identity issue.

[CroFlames]

Why name the kid? Just call the kid Homo-sapien until it self identifies with a name later in life.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why name the kid? Just call the kid Homo-sapien until it self identifies with a name later in life.

how dare you assume its species!

[indes]

This should go in the "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" thread. People are the worst.

[Bunk]

Birth Certificates register "Sex" which is a biological feature and is different is different than "Gender". Why would gender be registered on a birth certificate?

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Birth Certificates register "Sex" which is a biological feature and is different is different than "Gender". Why would gender be registered on a birth certificate?

that's very interesting didnt even consider it

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I'd likely treat it as a mental disorder though, and would want that condition to be cured and perhaps something we could "inoculate" against in the future.

Serious, do you feel the same way about homosexuality?

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Serious, do you feel the same way about homosexuality?

Not at all. Being homosexual is just a preference for one gender or the other.

Gender identity is you're born a man, but, think you're a woman. How is that not a defect?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Serious, do you feel the same way about homosexuality?

Serious, do you feel the same way about people with other forms of body dysphoria like feeling your finger shouldn't be on your body?

Right now the best treatment for people who have a different gender than their sex is to let them express themselves how they want to. They still suffer from higher than normal suicide rates. So if you are asking me if you could "cure" your own child from not having gender dysphoria (which is classified as a disorder under ICD-10) I would say yes if it improves the liklyhood of a positive life outcome.

[Hockeyguy15]

Life is hard enough, why make a spectacle of your kid? The gender of the kid is that of which type of genitals they have and if they want to change that later in life that's up to them, not their parents.

It's a piece of paper, I highly doubt that it would sway the kid one way or another.

[CMPunk]

So do you keep the kid naked all the time? Would putting on pants make the child more masculine? Do you leave clothes out for the child to pick themselves or do they wear a onesy all the time?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Not at all. Being homosexual is just a preference for one gender or the other.

Gender identity is you're born a man, but, think you're a woman. How is that not a defect?

Weird that you're so able to nonchalantly downplay or completely ignore that the same excuse has been ranging on for centuries about homosexuality being "unnatural" and a "defect" but can't extend the same favour to transgendered people.

People with penises are men and suppose to like women. That's nature, that's "science," anything deviating from it has been classified as a "defect" by the same small-minded bigoted people. We still to this day have people trying to cure and fix "homosexuality" the same way you're hoping we can cure transgenders.

Maybe step back and see that you're not any better than a homophobe when you start hoping that transgendered people end up cured.

With that said, I think the story is ridiculous.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Not at all. Being homosexual is just a preference for one gender or the other.

Gender identity is you're born a man, but, think you're a woman. How is that not a defect?

I think that you're using the term "gender identity" clumsily. Gender identity is a person's personal experience of their gender (which is a purely social construction). Most times a persons' gender identity will correlate with their biological sex at birth but not always.

When it doesn't correlate, we know that it can be traumatic (though K don't think "defect" is the right word). I agree with you that when it is traumatic, steps should probably be taken to try to reduce or eliminate the trauma (usually medical intervention).

[Fuzz]

I'm assuming pink and blue are right out the window for nursery colours...

[REDVAN]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Not at all. Being homosexual is just a preference for one gender or the other.

Gender identity is you're born a man, but, think you're a woman. How is that not a defect?

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm assuming pink and blue are right out the window for nursery colours...

Black or white are pretty much your only choices. And even that could be questionable.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Weird that you're so able to nonchalantly downplay or completely ignore that the same excuse has been ranging on for centuries about homosexuality being "unnatural" and a "defect" but can't extend the same favour to transgendered people.

People with penises are men and suppose to like women. That's nature, that's "science," anything deviating from it has been classified as a "defect" by the same small-minded bigoted people. We still to this day have people trying to cure and fix "homosexuality" the same way you're hoping we can cure transgenders.

Maybe step back and see that you're not any better than a homophobe when you start hoping that transgendered people end up cured.

With that said, I think the story is ridiculous.

Is deafness a defect that should be cured? Some members of the deaf community would argue otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Weird that you're so able to nonchalantly downplay or completely ignore that the same excuse has been ranging on for centuries about homosexuality being "unnatural" and a "defect" but can't extend the same favour to transgendered people.

People with penises are men and suppose to like women. That's nature, that's "science," anything deviating from it has been classified as a "defect" by the same small-minded bigoted people. We still to this day have people trying to cure and fix "homosexuality" the same way you're hoping we can cure transgenders.

Maybe step back and see that you're not any better than a homophobe when you start hoping that transgendered people end up cured.

With that said, I think the story is ridiculous.

Let's no conflate the two issues. Further, I am going a lot further than most by saying that this is a real problem. A lot of people think that there's no such thing as gender identity issues. I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that like homosexuality its a bioligical problem. The difference is I'd never advocate for "curing" homosexuals because a sexual preference is no big deal, and our society is becoming a lot more accepting.

Gender identity is the same thing but it causes enormous hardship on the person because they don't associate with the gender they are at birth. Being born a man and feeling like a woman because of a genetic defect or birth defect that science can narrow down is a hardship that no one would want on their child. I actually find it bizarre anyone would take the other position.

Unless of course you are going to take the stance that gender and sex are societal constructs that can be fluid. In which case I can't even be bothered to debate that, in the same way I don't take anti vaxxer seriously.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Gender identity is you're born a man, but, think you're a woman. How is that not a defect?

How is it a defect?

Defect, n.
a. Lack or absence of something necessary or desirable; a deficiency, a want. Also: the state or fact of being deficient or falling short. Frequently paired with excess.

In what way does such a person "fall short" or "lack something desirable"?

[PsYcNeT]

I don't think Bernie Sanders would agree with you OP.