Wideman effect gone?

[dustygoon]

Do we have a large enough sample size yet since Wideman has been relegated to the press box to say if the Wideman effect is gone?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Do we have a large enough sample size yet since Wideman has been relegated to the press box to say if the Wideman effect is gone?

Ducks had a third man in on Ferland/Kesler altercation, came out with a PP
Ducks player takes off gloves while Flames player doesn't, come out with a PP.

Yeah, no.

We are just gettig desensitized to Wideman effect.

[Toonage]

Not gone. Not even sure it goes away when Wideman does. I genuinely think the officials hate the franchise.

[CaptainCrunch]

we'll see if the NHL decides to suspend Gio for the knee on knee and for how long.

But no I don't trust that the Wideman effect is gone, I think its going to rear its ugly head in the playoffs.

[alan21]

Vermette incident was more recent!
Where was the Vermette effect?

[EldrickOnIce]

Flames have the most power play minutes per game of any western conference playoff team.
Is this also part of the Wideman Effect™?

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ducks had a third man in on Ferland/Kesler altercation, came out with a PP
Ducks player takes off gloves while Flames player doesn't, come out with a PP.

Yeah, no.

We are just gettig desensitized to Wideman effect.

That's the Honda effect.

I have noticed a notable change since the Flames spoke to the league about the call imbalance. Even though the refs are not giving the Flames preferential treatment and slashing still remains a penalty that's never called, the Flames are getting a lot less soft penalties called. I am not sure if there is a graph still ongoing, but it was dipping pretty well last time it was posted.

And let's not put our home blinders on. Ferland was the initial 3rd man, it was Kesler / Monahan first.

[Brewmaster]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Ducks had a third man in on Ferland/Kesler altercation, came out with a PP
Ducks player takes off gloves while Flames player doesn't, come out with a PP.

Yeah, no.

We are just gettig desensitized to Wideman effect.

I hate the Ducks as much as anyone, but I can see why both of those incidents could have been viewed differently by the refs. The first one really started as Kesler/Monahan before Ferland came in, so not exactly cut and dry with Holzer coming in late.

The second one had Bart clearly instigate a fight after a missed hit which deserved the extra 2 mins. On the Kesler/Frolik side, it was Frolik that got things started with a slash on Kesler's wrist after the whistle. While it was dirty for Kesler to start swinging the way he did, Engelland came in as the 3rd man there which was likely another penalty.

[united]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

On the Kesler/Frolik side, it was Frolik that got things started with a slash on Kesler's wrist after the whistle. While it was dirty for Kesler to start swinging the way he did, Engelland came in as the 3rd man there which was likely another penalty.

Kesler slashed Frolik on the back of the right knee/leg right as the whistle was going, causing Frolik's response slash. Kesler knew exactly what he was doing.

[Northendzone]

is wrecks still in effect?

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Not gone. Not even sure it goes away when Wideman does. I genuinely think the officials hate the franchise.

People often tweet at me saying flames fans are a bunch of whiners and I do my best to defend. Hard to do so when there are comments like this.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

I hate the Ducks as much as anyone, but I can see why both of those incidents could have been viewed differently by the refs. The first one really started as Kesler/Monahan before Ferland came in, so not exactly cut and dry with Holzer coming in late.

The second one had Bart clearly instigate a fight after a missed hit which deserved the extra 2 mins. On the Kesler/Frolik side, it was Frolik that got things started with a slash on Kesler's wrist after the whistle. While it was dirty for Kesler to start swinging the way he did, Engelland came in as the 3rd man there which was likely another penalty.

1) Ferland didn't jump Kesler like Holzer jumped Ferland

2) I'd guess that 99% of the time, there is no instigator called for similar instances. Typically, when they are called for heat of the moment situations, the league almost always rescinds the instigator to eliminate the 1 game suspension. If the league leaves the instigator penalty, I think you'll have a pretty good idea of what they think of the Flames. To call Engellend for 3rd man would have required there to be a 2nd man in the fight and Frolik was not fighting.

[sempuki]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

People often tweet at me saying flames fans are a bunch of whiners and I do my best to defend. Hard to do so when there are comments like this.

I try not be over the top in what I say, but the effect is statistically measurable (although subject to bias and noise). And psychology is weird -- refs can be biased without even realizing it.

But catching grief from *Vancouver* fans about whining over penalties is beyond the pale. They basically made a cup run out of diving and whinging. That's like black calling the kettle pot.

[CaptainCrunch]

Clearly there was something going on, because after the Flames had their meeting with the league the penalty statistics against the Flames shifted again.

Similar to how right after the Wideman situation the Flames immediately went from one of the most disciplined teams in the league to one of the least disciplined teams in the league without changing personal.

Canuck fans can say what they want, but they were giving the Right on bro gesture a few years back when Burke publicly lost it on the NHL for its treatment of the Sedins against Detroit.

Oiler fans can whine about it as much as they want, because that's frankly all they do, well that and tell everyone that the last 10 years don't count and how awesome their team is.

You know something, good on the Flames, it clearly got results.

[Cactus Jack]

Originally Posted by mikeecho

I'd guess that 99% of the time, there is no instigator called for similar instances. Typically, when they are called for heat of the moment situations, the league almost always rescinds the instigator to eliminate the 1 game suspension. If the league leaves the instigator penalty, I think you'll have a pretty good idea of what they think of the Flames. To call Engellend for 3rd man would have required there to be a 2nd man in the fight and Frolik was not fighting.

It´s the NHL, you never know what they will do or call. For the life of me I still do not understand how in the playoffs against Vancouver no one Canuck was called or suspended at end of the game when Dorsett and Hamhius got theirs handed to them by Engelland. That is the definition of a third man entering a fight. Literally.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

People often tweet at me saying flames fans are a bunch of whiners and I do my best to defend. Hard to do so when there are comments like this.

Whatever will we do if you can't defend Flames fans to randoms on twitter.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Whatever will we do if you can't defend Flames fans to randoms on twitter.

you must be devastated.


The point remains though. Bunch of whiners is pretty accurate.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

you must be devastated.

The internet comments keep me up at night

[GGG]

Its been gone since January.

It could have been a when you play like a crappy hockey team and are out of position the whole time affect as well.