GM meetings in Florida

[dash_pinched]

They're be discussing length of video review, the offside rule, and gardening tips apparently.

Chris Johnston‏@reporterchris
Marc Bergevin, blending into the surroundings in Boca Raton.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Let me know if there are any questions you want me to ask the GMs!







LOL, just kidding. I have better things to do than stalk these guys.

[Nammer403]

From twitter.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun
Flames GM Brad Treliving said his small group, among many things, looked at the idea of 3 points for a 60-min win, the merits of it ...

Veteran GM Lou Lamoriello on the other hand says he would rather go back to 2 points for a win and zero for any kind of loss. No loser point

Treliving also said his group discussed the merits of a wild-card play-in game

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

Let me know if there are any questions you want me to ask the GMs!







LOL, just kidding. I have better things to do than stalk these guys.

ok...

[Huntingwhale]

They should be discussing the reffing and what can be done about it. How to present a case to the league as a unified front. Because it's not just the Flames, it's the entire league, game after game, where calls are just being blown, missed and no one is held accountable.

As a fan, that would be my #1 priority to be discussed.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by @Real_ESPNLeBrun

Flames GM Brad Treliving said his small group, among many things, looked at the idea of 3 points for a 60-min win, the merits of it ...

No thank you. I've yet to see any 3 point game arguments that I find at all convincing.

Originally Posted by @Real_ESPNLeBrun

Veteran GM Lou Lamoriello on the other hand says he would rather go back to 2 points for a win and zero for any kind of loss. No loser point

Well that's great Lou... but why give out "points"? If there is no loser/tie point just order teams on wins like baseball and basketball do. The whole idea of "Points" become unneeded if there is no variation on value.

Originally Posted by @Real_ESPNLeBrun

Treliving also said his group discussed the merits of a wild-card play-in game

Pass. Don't need more playoff teams (even if one of them is a phony playoff team).

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

They should be discussing the reffing and what can be done about it. How to present a case to the league as a unified front. Because it's not just the Flames, it's the entire league, game after game, where calls are just being blown, missed and no one is held accountable.

That will never happen. Yes the officiating is bad but the NHL actually LIKES it that way... they (The League) like having rules that they can have selectively enforced. It's beyond dumb, but it's the way it is. I don't even blame the officials, they're just doing what their employer wants.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Parallex

No thank you. I've yet to see any 3 point game arguments that I find at all convincing.

That will never happen. Yes the officiating is bad but the NHL actually LIKES it that way... they (The League) like having rules that they can have selectively enforced. It's beyond dumb, but it's the way it is. I don't even blame the officials, they're just doing what their employer wants.

The gameplay for a 3 point game is all the convincing I need. Teams playing hard to avoid overtime, and then playing hard to avoid a shootout, is all the convincing I need. The end of every game would be amped up to 11, if the score is close.

Agree on officiating. Not going to change.

[AC]

I think the biggest argument for a 3 pt regulation win is that it results in the same amount of points handed out each game. Removes the ability for some games to be worth more in the standings than others.

Regulation win: 3 pts
Regulation loss: 0 pts

OT/SO win: 2 pts
OT/SO loss: 1 pt

[Ace]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The gameplay for a 3 point game is all the convincing I need. Teams playing hard to avoid overtime, and then playing hard to avoid a shootout, is all the convincing I need. The end of every game would be amped up to 11, if the score is close.

Absolutely this is the main benefit.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by AC

I think the biggest argument for a 3 pt regulation win is that it results in the same amount of points handed out each game. Removes the ability for some games to be worth more in the standings than others.

Regulation win: 3 pts
Regulation loss: 0 pts

OT/SO win: 2 pts
OT/SO loss: 1 pt

Yes, absolutely. The math makes sense and it would result in awarding the right points for the teams that are clearly better.

Also, if we're going to stick with gimmicky things like 3 on 3 and a shootout, I don't feel it's fair to award a full 3 points for those wins. 2 points gives it value, but not the same value as winning a 60 minute 5 on 5 traditional game.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Parallex

No thank you. I've yet to see any 3 point game arguments that I find at all convincing.

What do you have against 3 point games? I've heard very few arguments against them. I've heard tons against the current set up of done being worth 2 points and others being worth 3 points.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

What do you have against 3 point games? I've heard very few arguments against them. I've heard tons against the current set up of done being worth 2 points and others being worth 3 points.

If 3 point games become a thing, your 96 point snake is totally out the window. I'd be against them if I were you.

[Benched]

I like the 3pt game idea.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Nammer403

From twitter.

I agree with those who see the merits for the introduction of a 3-point system for all games. I wanted to address Lamarillo's opinion, and why the League can never return to a 2-or-nothing system for awarding points. The shootout changes everything: in a league in which wins are occasionally awarded for gimmicky skills competition a team should never be penalized for their failure to come up short in a glorified coin-flip.

[getbak]

For reference, here's what today's standings would look like with the same results but 3 points for a regulation win (keeping in mind that teams would likely play differently late in a close game if there were 3 points on the line). The first column is Regulation Wins (3 points); the second is OT/SO Wins (2 points); third is OT/SO Losses (1 point); and fourth is Regulation Losses (0 points).

TEAM			RW	OW	OL	RL	P
Washington Capitals	36	8	7	13	131
Pittsburgh Penguins	32	8	8	16	120
Columbus Blue Jackets	31	10	6	17	119
					
Montréal Canadiens	27	10	8	21	109
Ottawa Senators		28	7	6	22	104
Boston Bruins		28	6	6	25	102
					
New York Rangers	34	7	2	22	118
New York Islanders	26	4	11	23	97
----------------------	---	---	---	---	---
Toronto Maple Leafs	22	6	14	22	92
Tampa Bay Lightning	23	7	8	26	91
Florida Panthers	18	11	11	24	87
Philadelphia Flyers	18	12	8	26	86
Buffalo Sabres		20	7	12	27	86
Carolina Hurricanes	20	6	10	26	82
New Jersey Devils	17	8	12	28	79
Detroit Red Wings	14	11	11	27	75
					
					
Minnesota Wild		35	7	6	15	125
Chicago Blackhawks	31	11	5	18	120
Nashville Predators	28	4	9	24	101
					
San Jose Sharks		31	7	7	19	114
Anaheim Ducks		29	4	10	22	105
Edmonton Oilers		26	9	8	22	104
					
Calgary Flames		25	11	4	26	101
St. Louis Blues		25	7	5	27	94
----------------------	---	---	---	---	---
Winnipeg Jets		25	5	6	30	91
Los Angeles Kings	19	12	6	28	87
Dallas Stars		23	3	10	29	85
Vancouver Canucks	18	10	7	30	81
Arizona Coyotes		14	9	7	35	67
Colorado Avalanche	11	6	3	44	48

The only significant change to the standings is that LA would drop two spots from the 2nd Wild Card position and St Louis would move into the 2nd Wild Card spot. Also, home ice in the Pittsburgh-Columbus and Anaheim-Edmonton series would switch.

Some of the non-playoff positions would also change, which would impact draft positions.

[CKPThunder]

^^^
The regulation losses seem pretty high for every team.

[TheScorpion]

Yeah, the Flames don't even have 36 losses total this season. Something's up with that table.

[JerryUnderscore]

Originally Posted by getbak

The only significant change to the standings is that LA would drop two spots from the 2nd Wild Card position and St Louis would move into the 2nd Wild Card spot. Also, home ice in the Pittsburgh-Columbus and Anaheim-Edmonton series would switch.

Some of the non-playoff positions would also change, which would impact draft positions.

I personally love the idea of all game being worth three points. Unfortunately, the league won't go for it because of how much quicker some teams would be eliminated from playoff contention.

The league cares more about the playoff race than they do about games remaining competitive in the final 10 minutes. While having some games worth 2-points and other games worth 3-points gives an inaccurate result in the standings board, it gives the league exactly what they want: ratings.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

The regulation losses in that chart are the RW and OW combined for some reason, but the actual point totals are correct.

[FireGilbert]

I'm also a big proponent of the three point wins system for all the reasons all ready stated. All games should be worth the same amount of points, it rewards teams who win in regulation, and 3 on 3 and the shootout are not real hockey so the winner shouldn't get full points and the loser shouldn't get zero points. The 3 point system also seems to work perfectly fine at the World Championships.

Oh and it's very interesting Lou Lamoriello wants to eliminate the loser point considering the Leafs are the biggest benefactor of it this season.