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Old 02-15-2017, 05:04 AM   #1
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Question What are your thoughts on Motion M103?

I never heard of this until yesterday. is this for real? We have laws against hate crimes but this seems to want to end free speech from what I can tell.

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Tomorrow, our noble Parliament will vote on Bill M103, which is a motion to get into a motion laws forbidding ‘Islamaphobia’. Said Bill is put forward by Iqra Khalid, a native of Pakistan. I know not her motives, but other commentators are wondering, why Islam? There are far more reported ‘hate crimes’ against Jews.
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http://catholicinsight.com/bill-m103...-islamaphobia/

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Old 02-15-2017, 05:15 AM   #2
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I never heard of this until yesterday. is this for real? We have laws against hate crimes but this seems to want to end free speech from what I can tell.



Text of the Motion below:

http://catholicinsight.com/bill-m103...-islamaphobia/
This is scary stuff.

No more free speech.

Criticism of Islam will be a crime.

This is just the start.
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This is scary stuff.

No more free speech.

Criticism of Islam will be a crime.


This is just the start.
So technically no-one could denounce Sharia law if this goes threw? ridiculous!

This could be the final straw for me, Japan is looking like a great place to retire right now.
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Old 02-15-2017, 05:38 AM   #4
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"Motion 103"

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Motion 103 was tabled by Mississauga, Ont., Liberal backbencher Iqra Khalid last fall, but will be discussed in the aftermath of last month's mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque. It calls on government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination."

The text of the motion also asks the government to:

- Recognize the need to quell the increasing public climate of hate and fear.

- Request the heritage committee study how the government could develop a government-wide approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination, including Islamophobia.

- Collect data to contextualize hate crime reports and to conduct needs assessments for impacted communities and present findings within 240 calendar days
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103...tion-1.3972194

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Old 02-15-2017, 05:41 AM   #5
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So technically no-one could denounce Sharia law if this goes threw? ridiculous!

This could be the final straw for me, Japan is looking like a great place to retire right now.
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:02 AM   #6
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"Motion 103"
Motion 103 was tabled by Mississauga, Ont., Liberal backbencher Iqra Khalid last fall, but will be discussed in the aftermath of last month's mass shooting at a Quebec City mosque. It calls on government to "condemn Islamophobia and all forms of systemic racism and religious discrimination."
Maybe I missed it but was there a "motion 102" after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Paris attacks, Nice attacks, Brussels bombings, San Bernardino attacks, the Orlando shootings and more which killed 50X more people in the last year or so?

Muslim attacks that have killed thousands all over the world since before 9-11 and now Canada is suppose to vote our free speech out the window because some nut in Quebec killed 6 Muslims.

Sure!!
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:11 AM   #7
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It's not a bill, maybe change your thread title?

And Catholicinsight.com? Really?
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My opinion is it is poorly worded and being blown out of proportion by the right. The concept is ok but it's already covered by anti-hate laws. Isn't it?

I would like to see some definition of Islamophobia too, the broad brush approach is not going to pass.

I doubt this will pass in it's current form.
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This is scary stuff.

No more free speech.

Criticism of Islam will be a crime.

This is just the start.
I agree, very scary. Just look at what happened to Lebanon.....
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Old 02-15-2017, 06:57 AM   #10
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I'll be surprised if it gets passed.

If it passes, I'm moving to US.
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:14 AM   #11
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My opinion is it is poorly worded and being blown out of proportion by the right. The concept is ok but it's already covered by anti-hate laws. Isn't it?

I would like to see some definition of Islamophobia too, the broad brush approach is not going to pass.

I doubt this will pass in it's current form.
isn't this motion also covering other religions?
I don't like they way it's worded, but doesn't seem to be only about Islam.
and I agree that it's dumb as we already have laws that cover this stuff.

"eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination, including Islamophobia"

and no way in heck I'm going to click on a link to a website called catholicinsight. I'd rather click on an Eklund link.
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It appears to be for all religions.

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(i) develop a whole-of-government approach to reducing or eliminating systemic racism and religious discrimination including Islamophobia, in Canada, while ensuring a community-centered focus with a holistic response through evidence-based policy-making
In general the bill seems to say get the government to recognize that religious descriminatiin exists and that something should be done about it. It doesn't appear to introduce or change any laws.

It also seems to be covered already by ou charter of rights and freedoms and current hate speech laws. So I don't get the point of it.

I'm all for collecting hate crime related data in a national data bank.

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Maybe I missed it but was there a "motion 102" after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Paris attacks, Nice attacks, Brussels bombings, San Bernardino attacks, the Orlando shootings and more which killed 50X more people in the last year or so?

Muslim attacks that have killed thousands all over the world since before 9-11 and now Canada is suppose to vote our free speech out the window because some nut in Quebec killed 6 Muslims.

Sure!!
To be fair in your ridiculous score keeping in Canada 6-1. One of the problems with people's criticism of Islam is they condemn the whole group. What was the religion of the Quebec shooter?
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where can I apply to be a guy in charge of enforcing this motion?
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Can't believe Catholic Insight didn't get all the facts correct. Last time I go to them for my hard hitting news.
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This is ridiculous. If this passes I am moving to Pakistan.
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Old 02-15-2017, 07:39 AM   #17
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Unnecessary law no doubt, but the hand-wringing by the right that this is going to usher in a new age of Sharia Law (like, how can you even make this logical leap?) is priceless.

Do these people even know what Sharia Law is?
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To be fair in your ridiculous score keeping in Canada 6-1. One of the problems with people's criticism of Islam is they condemn the whole group. What was the religion of the Quebec shooter?
Personally, I have no issues with the vast majority of Muslim people. However, I do have a major issue with their ideological death cult beliefs because a lot of them are downright terrifying. There is a difference between condemning an ideology versus condemning a group of people, in my opinion.
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Here's a CBC link for those engaged in papaphobia.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/m103...tion-1.3972194
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We should all remain free to criticize religion, no idea should be free from critical examination. What we should not do is discriminate based on religious views, so long as those views are not infringing on the rights of others. I'm fairly sure we already have laws for that, so this seems unnecessary.
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