Holodomor 2016 - 83rd Anniversary of Ukrainian Genocide by the USSR

[CroFlames]

The Holodomor was the genocide perpetrated by Moscow against Ukranians using man-made famine to eradicate huge swaths of Ukrainian populations. The actual number of dead left in it's wake are hard to identify because of the lack of records. Whereas the Nazis were meticulous record keepers of their own atrocities, Moscow just hoped for maximum carnage. Having said that, I don't believe the Holodomor was in any way less systematic or deliberate as Nazi atrocities.

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by the independent Ukraine[12] and 24 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet Union.[13]

Recent research has since narrowed the estimates to between 2.4[16] and 7.5[17] million. The exact number of deaths is hard to determine, due to a lack of records,[18][19] but the number increases significantly when the deaths inside heavily Ukrainian-populated Kuban are included.

I sometimes feel this atrocity is forgotten in mainstream discourse despite the enormous magnitude of it. I just wanted to bring some attention to it since November is typically the month of remembrance for this tragedy. Ukrainian Canadians are a huge segment of Canadian society were integral in building Canada over the decades.

This is the Holodomor memorial in Calgary:

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[Fuzz]

Where in Calgary is it?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I sometimes feel this atrocity is forgotten in mainstream discourse despite the enormous magnitude of it.

Sadly, a list of atrocities would make people cry. They are not as uncommon as people want to think.


Good thread, it is important to remember.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Where in Calgary is it?

Looks like the 4th ave flyover looking north west to bridgeland if I had to guess.

[Fuzz]

Good call. This looks to be it.
https://goo.gl/maps/bB7EszNbLR62

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sadly, a list of atrocities would make people cry. They are not as uncommon as people want to think.


Good thread, it is important to remember.

I think it is very important to remember, but it seems to continue unabated to this day. I can only imagine what it must be like to just be 'unlucky' and born into a country, or a culture, or a different skin color, and have people actively try to exterminate you, often with impunity.

Stalin was one of the monsters of history.

Thanks for the reminder Cro.

[Pointman]

Hail to all the Ukrainians in Calgary!

[CroFlames]

Canada is one of the countries who recognize this as genocide, thankfully.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The Holodomor was the genocide perpetrated by Moscow against Ukranians using man-made famine to eradicate huge swaths of Ukrainian populations. The actual number of dead left in it's wake are hard to identify because of the lack of records. Whereas the Nazis were meticulous record keepers of their own atrocities, Moscow just hoped for maximum carnage. Having said that, I don't believe the Holodomor was in any way less systematic or deliberate as Nazi atrocities.

I don't know if it is ironic that this genocide was one of the things that pushed so many Ukrainian politicians to collaborate with the Nazis during WWII. Much of the support the Nazis received in countries outside of Germany was a result of other authoritarian dictatorships trying to push ethnic hegemony. And the genocide wasn't just killing, but also things like banning cultural symbols, religion, and erasing the historical presence of people (removing cemeteries and all traces that the other ethnic groups lived there). In the 1930s, this was happening in the USSR and Yugoslavia, and while the world turned a blind eye, it festered into a reflexive and reactionary hard right-wing nationalist movement unparalleled in modern times. These things don't happen in a vacuum, but unfortunately, we still suck at predicting them.

Even today, you still see the genocide ideology in the colonial countries. For example, many Russians still consider Ukrainians to be "stray Russian" and do not recognize that they have a unique national identity.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Hail to all the Ukrainians in Calgary!

Says the Russian...

Hes trying to flush you out Ukies! Dont fall for it!

[Daradon]

They have a great display on it in the human rights museum in Winnipeg.

You are right, it does get forgotten. And living in a time where a Russia is being imperialistic again, it's very important to remember.

It was the largest loss of life from a foreign power, eclipsing the Holocaust. Russia starved Ukrainians out by stealing their harvests, and supplanted ethnic Russians in their place.

You could get sent to the camps for two grains of wheat or barley in you pockets in occupied Ukraine. 12 million died. As one of Ukrainian decent we actually celebrate a Christmas dish which is water made from Christmas snow. They were so poor and oppressed they ate the snow from their backyard/farm/land.

The only massacre that was bigger was Mao's Great Leap Forward which killed am estimated 35 million Chinese. However, unlike the Holocaust and Holodomor, it was within a country, these were forced upon by foreign powers.

This doesn't get enough realisation, and thanks to the new Putin/Trump superduo it's very important to remember.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Daradon

They have a great display on it in the human rights museum in Winnipeg.

You are right, it does get forgotten. And living in a time where a Russia is being imperialistic again, it's very important to remember.

It was the largest loss of life from a foreign power, eclipsing the Holocaust. Russia starved Ukrainians out by stealing their harvests, and supplanted ethnic Russians in their place.

You could get sent to the camps for two grains of wheat or barley in you pockets in occupied Ukraine. 12 million died. As one of Ukrainian decent we actually celebrate a Christmas dish which is water made from Christmas snow. They were so poor and oppressed they ate the snow from their backyard/farm/land.

The only massacre that was bigger was Mao's Great Leap Forward which killed am estimated 35 million Chinese. However, unlike the Holocaust and Holodomor, it was within a country, these were forced upon by foreign powers.

This doesn't get enough realisation, and thanks to the new Putin/Trump superduo it's very important to remember.

It's also worth mentioning that it was happening on a smaller scale in Kazakhstan and within Russian Tatarstan.

And some people wonder why Eastern European countries want to move towards NATO or why ethnic Russians are hated so much in places like Estonia and Lithuania.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's also worth mentioning that it was happening on a smaller scale in Kazakhstan and within Russian Tatarstan.

And some people wonder why Eastern European countries want to move towards NATO or why ethnic Russians are hated so much in places like Estonia and Lithuania.

Exactly. Yet globalists will cite NATO as an excuse for Putin's aggressiveness.

The thing was/is, NATO isn't a concern unless your being a dick. Gorbachev and Yeltsin saw the importantness of increased cooperation.

Putin is a KGB thug making USSR great again.

[White Out 403]

Stalin was a monster. He starved over ten million Ukrainians to death but people only think of hitler as the great evil off ww2.

[Daradon]

Exactly. The sheer brutality and viciousness of the Holocaust is why all the movies are made. But more were killed in the Ukraine and surrounding countries in the Holodomor.

And yes they had camps. Where do you think the whole joke about getting sent to Siberia started?

Gulags man, Russian Gulags.

Long live free Ukraine!