Pronman: Flames 9th ranked prospect pool

[GranteedEV]

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Originally Posted by Corey Pronman

I'd put everyone from the Hurricanes (No. 5) through the Flames (No. 9) in [the 3rd] tier

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9. Calgary Flames
Previous rank: 9

Calgary's system is anchored heavily by 2016 first-rounder Matthew Tkachuk at the top, and while it falls off sharply after him, it is a fairly deep system with talent at every position.

I don't really put too much thought into how our pool ranks but I think he's selling guys like Jankowski and Kylington short to say it falls off sharply after Tkachuk.

[Bingo]

also odd how short the Calgary write up is compared to other teams, and certainly the top 10.

[blankall]

Who cares...Calgary's best bets have all graduated from prospect to players. Hamilton, Brodie, Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett are all young and are safer bets than prospects.

Good to know we have depth coming through, but it's not crucial to where we are going.

[Strange Brew]

I don't really disagree with his short write-up on the Flames, other than I don't believe it falls off "sharply". There are some intriguing talents that are trending up, and can hopefully be considered elite or high end soon.

What's funny is that based on the write-ups alone, I'm surprised he doesn't have Flames ranked last. He had nicer things to say about almost every other team. I have no idea how our pool ranks vs. other organizations.

[vicarious]

Is Klefbom still a prospect?

[JiriHrdina]

I think it does fall pretty sharply after Tkachuk. He is the only true elite prospect in the system. I would like to think Gillies is too but the injury last season puts some risk around it.
Guys like Kylington, Janko are solid prospects but have some risk or limited upside.
So the comment is fair.
That being said, some of the comments are weird. I still think the Oilers have one great prospect and virtually nothing after that. He says that's changed - how so. The drop off after the Finn is not steep - it is a f'n chasm of unknown depth.

I would overall put the Flames 7th or 8th - potentially ahead of the Oilers and Isle but behind everyone else ahead of them on the list.

[Iniggywetrust]

Seems as though the first overall pick of each year really adds weight to a teams prospect base. Considering he put EDM number one last year, and then dropped them to 8th when McDavid graduated. Weird how he still sees Larsson and Klefbom as prospects, however, doesn't count Bennett in that category.

Inconsistency definitely hurts this ranking.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

That being said, some of the comments are weird. I still think the Oilers have one great prospect and virtually nothing after that. He says that's changed - how so. The drop off after the Finn is not steep - it is a f'n chasm of unknown depth.

yeah mentions the Oilers increasing depth, but then doesn't name a single player but instead talks about Nurse and Klefbom on the current roster.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

yeah mentions the Oilers increasing depth, but then doesn't name a single player but instead talks about Nurse and Klefbom on the current roster.

They didn't draft a single player in the 2nd or 3rd round in 2014 or 2015 - and we all know too well that really gives your depth a hit.
This past draft they had 1 2nd and 3 thirds, perhaps that's the rationale for this supposed improvement - but at least outline that.

[SofaProfessor]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

Weird how he still sees Larsson and Klefbom as prospects, however, doesn't count Bennett in that category.

He didn't say they were still prospects. He said they have good prospects on top of young blueliners (above) at the NHL level. Still... He fails to mention who these promising blueline prospects are and you could argue he's severely overvaluing their young, NHL-level guys.

[saXon]

I still think the Jets' prospect pool is better than TO. Same with Buffalo and Arizona.

Edm at 8 is a joke.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by saXon

I still think the Jets' prospect pool is better than TO.

Leafs prospect pool standouts in my eyes (Blue Chippers Bolded):

X-Matthews-Marner
Brown-Nylander-X
Kapanen-X-Bracco

X-Zaitsev
Dermott-Carrick

X
Woll

Jets prospect Pool standouts in my eyes

Connor-x-Laine
Petan-x-Roslovic
Lemieux-Harkins-X

Morrisey-X
X-Green
Stanley-Kostalek

Hellebuyck
Comrie


Honestly the Jets prospect pool reminds me of the 08-12 Flames. Donut team with great goaltending. Leafs prospect pool seems more elite with its centre depth (Matthews/Nylander).

FWIW here's how I see the major standouts in Calgary's prospect pool but I admit I am biased:

Tkachuk-Jankowski-X
Mangiapane-x-Shinkaruk
X-X-Poirier

Kylington-Andersson
Hickey-Kulak
X-Fox

Gillies
Parsons

And as people may know I am also personally high on the more dodgy upsides of guys like McDonald, Ollas-Mattsson, Dube, and Phillips. I feel like the other teams have less of these boom-or-bust type prospects we have.

[taco.vidal]

Who is this guy? I dont know much about him other than I always think his name is Pornman and that he is a blogger that got noticed and now writes for ESPN. There doesnt seem to be much info about him on the net whcih is strange for someone who is as active on the internet as he is.

[JiriHrdina]

I think the Leafs have the top pool by virtue of having 3 of the top 10 prospects in the entire league: Nylander, Matthews, Marner.

I think the Jets only have two elites: Connor and Laine.
The Yotes have two: Strome and Keller (the latter might be a stretch)
CBJ has two (Werenski and Dubois): I'd be tempted to move them up a couple spots actually
Canes have perhaps 0
Flyers have one: Provorov

As fans, we like to come through the depth of each list, but ultimately the quality of the prospect base is defined by the top end and how deep that top end is.

[1qqaaz]

It would be interesting to see how these prospect pool rankings correlate to the improvement of each team. The top 10 teams from 5 years ago should playoff teams by now, shouldn't they?

Here is Corey Pronman's top 10 from 2011:

1. Detroit
2. NY Islanders
3. Nashville
4. Ottawa
5. Chicago
6. Carolina
7. Boston
8. LA
9. Florida
10. Anaheim

Yes, most of those teams are in the playoffs now. But Toronto was 11th, Edmonton was 16th, Calgary was 27th. Teams like Tampa Bay, San Jose, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Dallas were in his bottom 10.

I don't necessarily disagree with Pronman this year. However, player development is almost as much of a crapshoot as the draft. Some teams are evidently much better at developing players than others.

[Vinny01]

The Leafs have top 10 picks from the last 3 drafts in their system including this years first overall. If Calgary's system still has Sam Bennett, and they drafted Connor or Barzal instead of trading for Hamilton it would be top 3. I am glad that Bennett and Hamilton are with the big club as the Flames are on the cusp as a NHL team where the leafs are just hoping everything pans out

The Flames have pretty good system right now. I still really like the forward depth with the 4 first rounders from 2012-13. Our D pool looks good with the 14-15 picks of Hickey, Anderssen, and Kylington and Tkachuk is a potential game breaker. Gillies also leads a daily deep goaltending pool.

Very happy with the Flames pool considering we have 4 high end talents 23 and younger playing huge roles on the big club

[Strange Brew]

Yes prospect rankings would be interesting if you coupled it with rankings of NHL teams with best young talent. And I think you'd have to give more weight to that second ranking if you were really interested in predicting success over next 10 years. Seems like Flames would score well in second category.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It would be interesting to see how these prospect pool rankings correlate to the improvement of each team. The top 10 teams from 5 years ago should playoff teams by now, shouldn't they?

Here is Corey Pronman's top 10 from 2011:

1. Detroit
2. NY Islanders
3. Nashville
4. Ottawa
5. Chicago
6. Carolina
7. Boston
8. LA
9. Florida
10. Anaheim

Yes, most of those teams are in the playoffs now. But Toronto was 11th, Edmonton was 16th, Calgary was 27th. Teams like Tampa Bay, San Jose, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, and Dallas were in his bottom 10.

I don't necessarily disagree with Pronman this year. However, player development is almost as much of a crapshoot as the draft. Some teams are evidently much better at developing players than others.

Detroit definitely had some great prospects around that time. Nyquist, Tatar, Sheahan, Mrazek, Jurco.

But they never had a Kuznetsov, Tarasenko/Schwartz, Brodie/Gaudreau, Palat/Johnson/Kucherov, or Klingberg. Prospects are definitely inherently unpredictable. Which is why these lists do need a grain of salt especially past those top ten prospects everyone is familiar with. Just drafting a Darnell Nurse and Nail Yakupov is not enough. Teams need to defy their drafting fate so-to-speak. Go for the home run whereever possible.

[N-E-B]

Outside of Laine I think the Jets have the most overrated prospects in the NHL.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Outside of Laine I think the Jets have the most overrated prospects in the NHL.

Connor and Hellebucyk would easily be our top two prospects after Tkachuk. Morrissey and Ehlers would be more on par with guys like Gillies, Jankowski Kylington and Anderson, but likely still ranked ahead of them. Laine just makes it not close at all.