Isles and Sharks swing a deal

[TheScorpion]

The New York Islanders are proud to announce today that we have acquired defenseman Dustin Byfuglien from the San Jose Sharks in exchange for forward Jakub Voracek. We feel this move will help to shore up our defence in the injury absence of Zach Bogosian, and that we are dealing from an area of depth.

Islanders acquire:
D. Byfuglien (82)

Sharks acquire:
J. Voracek (77)

Thanks MJK for the easy negotiations.

[MJK]

We are happy to shake things up a bit with our struggles to start the year. Big Byf was great in the preseason but really bad so far this year. We are the lowest scoring team in the CPHL, something has to change.

The deal was actually suppose to be bigger but the league stepped in again, proving difficult to get deals done with new GM's that are eager to trade.

[SportsJunky]

Obviously, I don't know about the part of the deal that fell by the wayside but I like this one for one deal. On the surface it may look like a win for the NYI but I'm a firm believer that if a player isn't working on your team, for whatever reason, send him packing for a new piece of the puzzle. The sim is a funny thing.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MJK

We are happy to shake things up a bit with our struggles to start the year. Big Byf was great in the preseason but really bad so far this year. We are the lowest scoring team in the CPHL, something has to change.

The deal was actually suppose to be bigger but the league stepped in again, proving difficult to get deals done with new GM's that are eager to trade.

Dave if you are going to criticize the league for stepping in then let's go ahead and just put the cards on the table on what the deal was

San Jose was to get: Jakub Voracek + Corey Perry
NYI was to get: Buff+Jussi Jokinen+Lauri Korpikoski

So yes we rejected that.

We don't appreciate your commentary about the league making it difficult to get deals done.

Make fair deals and it won't be difficult.

OK?

[MJK]

Did I say anything that was incorrect?

[TheScorpion]

I would definitely hesitate before criticizing the league's commissioners.

[MJK]

It's not criticism when it's true.

Why is it wrong to articulate the difficulties when others may experience the same and can be prepared for it?

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Dave if you are going to criticize the league for stepping in then let's go ahead and just put the cards on the table on what the deal was

San Jose was to get: Jakub Voracek + Corey Perry
NYI was to get: Buff+Jussi Jokinen+Lauri Korpikoski

Very happy the commish team stepped in on this.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Very happy the commish team stepped in on this.

I think Perry is available if you are interested.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by MJK

It's not criticism when it's true.

Why is it wrong to articulate the difficulties when others may experience the same and can be prepared for it?

Because it's against the rules, and the rules are the rules.

I feel lucky to be in this league. The Perry/Voracek trade would probably have been a pretty lopsided deal, in retrospect. I think you're a great GM and probably a swell guy, but I'd just... err away from calling out the guys up top in public.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by MJK

Did I say anything that was incorrect?

I didn't say anything you said was incorrect.

This though represents an opinion, one that you are entitled to hold and share if you want:
The deal was actually suppose to be bigger but the league stepped in again, proving difficult to get deals done with new GM's that are eager to trade.

However if you are going to do so, then at least provide the details of what was rejected.

The league has no intent to make trading more difficult. That is not why we reject we deals. We reject deals to maintain healthy teams as GMs get up to speed and understand value more fully.

[MJK]

Perhaps this is a discussion for another thread, but I wonder what factors go into making decisions to either accept or reject a trade. This might be helpful to know if you are willing to share.

[JiriHrdina]

Sure. We look at overall value of the assets involve. And in looking at value we look at
- The ratings of players
- The age of them
- The contracts
- The NHL performance
- The long-term potential upside

Overall value.

With all due respect do you REALLY think that the original deal was fair?

[SportsJunky]

I agree that the commishes had to protect the new GM on this one. Just my .02

Same thing happened to me when I was new last year.

[TheScorpion]

I need all the protection I can get. I'm a bit of an idiot, I'm not sure if anybody has ever noticed that.

[devo22]

as someone who's been on both side of this fence, I'm really happy that the league steps in when it comes to newbie trading. Sure didn't like the leagues involvement at the time, but hindsight changes perspective.

Scorpion having deals rejected also isn't a bad thing, at least it shows we've got a new active GM who's willing to make deals and that in itself is a good sign.

As for Voracek/Perry for Byfuglien/Jokinen/Korpikoski ... good riddance.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by devo22

as someone who's been on both side of this fence, I'm really happy that the league steps in when it comes to newbie trading. Sure didn't like the leagues involvement at the time, but hindsight changes perspective.

Scorpion having deals rejected also isn't a bad thing, at least it shows we've got a new active GM who's willing to make deals and that in itself is a good sign.

As for Byfuglien/Perry for Voracek/Jokinen/Korpikoski ... good riddance.

It was actually Voracek/Perry for Buff/Jokinen/Korpi.

Yeah I know

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sure. We look at overall value of the assets involve. And in looking at value we look at
- The ratings of players
- The age of them
- The contracts
- The NHL performance
- The long-term potential upside

Overall value.

With all due respect do you REALLY think that the original deal was fair?

The only thing I dislike about the review process (again, might be a better place to discuss this) is it is opinion based. Someone I don't see carrying a lot of value might be the opposite of the commish team or vice versa. I know a few deals that got rejected where the secondary piece actually turned out to be an impact player.

Not sure how you avoid this but just thought I would mention this.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Sure. We look at overall value of the assets involve. And in looking at value we look at
- The ratings of players
- The age of them
- The contracts
- The NHL performance
- The long-term potential upside

Overall value.

With all due respect do you REALLY think that the original deal was fair?

Grant, I wouldn't have sent in the deal if I didn't think it was fair. I don't happen to think considering contract and rating, Jokinen and Perry are that far off which is why i added another roster player to the deal. Anyways...

You know what would be really neat ...if a rubric was developed and a value given to each of those items above giving GM's the option to assess potential trades before sending into the league.

For example, it would be good to know, of the above criteria, what has the most weight/value, what has the least etc when deciding if a trade is fair or not? That way each player in the trade is given a value and it makes it easier to assess and make a decision to approve or reject. That also takes out any subjectivity of the decision making process.

I know having a tool like that would be very beneficial to me. I would also be happy to work on it if I can get some direction on how much weight there is on each item.

[MJK]

Another idea is we can do a series of Polls and ask the GM's to rank the weight of each of those things so that it is the league that determines how each one should be weighted.