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JiriHrdina · 08-14-2016, 03:09 PM

Folks we are changing this process to provide more flexibility and simplicity at the same time.
Moving forward, you can play a player in any position that is listed for that player in the sim.
You do not have to submit changes - and can also play someone in multiple positions in your lineup - in the same game. As long as that position is listed in the sim for them.

You can see positions for current players posted here:
cphl.calgarypuck.com/pages/simupload/CPHL1-ProTeamRoster.html

So for instance Joe Thornton is listed as a centre. Hey may ONLY play that position. In contrast, Johan Larsson can play all 3 forward positions.

Rosters may not be 100% accurate. Don't worry about that yet - I will post when we are ready for GMs to review.

If a position isn't listed for a player in the sim - they may NOT play there.

This should make things way simpler to manage everyone's roster, while at the same time give you better ability to manage your lines.

Questions?

JonDuke · 08-14-2016, 03:25 PM

Are we going to be able to submit change requests for what positions players currently have listed in the SIM?

For 2 examples:
Claude Giroux is only listed as being able to play centre, but many websites show he also plays RW.
Jamie Benn shows only as available to play LW, but is listed many places as a C, and with a 84 FO rating, I'd hope I could switch him there if ever desired.

JiriHrdina · 08-14-2016, 03:28 PM

I would say that what we should do is allow teams one chance to submit additions for positions for their players as part of roster corrections. Those positions would have to be listed from major websites: TSN, ESPN, Hockeydb, NHL.com.
Once that process is complete, we are locked for the season.
Fair?

dsavillian · 08-14-2016, 04:24 PM

A welcome change!

flamesfan6 · 08-14-2016, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I would say that what we should do is allow teams one chance to submit additions for positions for their players as part of roster corrections. Those positions would have to be listed from major websites: TSN, ESPN, Hockeydb, NHL.com.
Once that process is complete, we are locked for the season.
Fair?

What about if a teams GM was happy with the listing at the time of the list and didn't submit any change, and then a team trades for the player.

TSN, espn etc may list them as other than the SIM has.. but now you can't submit the change. I feel that could slightly alter trades if you can't play them in a position and can't put a change request in.

(A fix for that would be that part of the trade would have to list that request in it as well, so that the action by the commissioners are processed at the one action instead of getting requests whenever)

JiriHrdina · 08-14-2016, 08:49 PM

Well we are trying to simplify this. If we allow for those players to change positions during the season, then we would have to allow them all.
Which defeats the purpose.
That's why I'd like to do 1 round of additions and then for the season players are locked - and you know when you are trading where you can play them.

TurdFerguson · 08-15-2016, 08:13 AM

Like the change.

Knut · 08-15-2016, 10:10 AM

Sure.. but how can i play Anze Kopitar on D now ?

simmer2 · 08-15-2016, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Well we are trying to simplify this. If we allow for those players to change positions during the season, then we would have to allow them all.
Which defeats the purpose.
That's why I'd like to do 1 round of additions and then for the season players are locked - and you know when you are trading where you can play them.

When will this happen?

JiriHrdina · 08-15-2016, 12:27 PM

After the final free agency batch

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 08-15-2016, 01:58 PM

This is a great idea. I really like this. Should be a lot less headaches for everyone.

Hanni · 08-15-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flamesfan6

What about if a teams GM was happy with the listing at the time of the list and didn't submit any change, and then a team trades for the player.

TSN, espn etc may list them as other than the SIM has.. but now you can't submit the change. I feel that could slightly alter trades if you can't play them in a position and can't put a change request in.

(A fix for that would be that part of the trade would have to list that request in it as well, so that the action by the commissioners are processed at the one action instead of getting requests whenever)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Well we are trying to simplify this. If we allow for those players to change positions during the season, then we would have to allow them all.
Which defeats the purpose.
That's why I'd like to do 1 round of additions and then for the season players are locked - and you know when you are trading where you can play them.

Maybe I'm wrong but I think the question is more what if a player is currently at a position that those sites don't corroborate? Take Burrows for example on my roster, he's at center but I can't find any site that lists him at that position. So I might not want to update his position but not allowing future changes limits potentially limits the players trade value. Purely an example since I don't want Burrows at center anyway.

JiriHrdina · 08-15-2016, 06:06 PM

I think if they aren't listed in the sim at those positions, and it can't be corrobated by a major site - then they probably shouldn't be playing in those positions.

flamesfan6 · 08-17-2016, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanni

Maybe I'm wrong but I think the question is more what if a player is currently at a position that those sites don't corroborate? Take Burrows for example on my roster, he's at center but I can't find any site that lists him at that position. So I might not want to update his position but not allowing future changes limits potentially limits the players trade value. Purely an example since I don't want Burrows at center anyway.

I was more asking about if a GM doesn't do the task in the off-season then the player can't be changed during the season even if a major website shows they can.

Either way I don't care, I do like the change to be a major website (allowed list?)

JiriHrdina · 08-17-2016, 08:02 PM

I think generally GMs will be motivated to provide positions for as many players as possible when we ask for roster corrections - both for line flexibility and trade value.
We will tighten up which sites will be considered - not sure we should even use hockeydb. I also think we want to have official roster links of some sort, and not an article or something else.
Anyways we will get crisp on what is allowed and not

Hanna Sniper · 08-17-2016, 11:14 PM

How is this going to affect our roster page

poor exaggerated example

Say 10 of my forwards have the ability to play RW but yet play enough of the other positions to ice a 4 line lineup. Can my team page list 1 Center, 1 LW'er and 10 RWer's

Sorry for the question my brain works/leads on a path where i think of stupid stuff like this. I have to deal with this 24/7

Swayze11 · 08-17-2016, 11:21 PM

I think Dustin Byfuglien and Brent Burn's value just went up haha

JiriHrdina · 08-18-2016, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

How is this going to affect our roster page

poor exaggerated example

Say 10 of my forwards have the ability to play RW but yet play enough of the other positions to ice a 4 line lineup. Can my team page list 1 Center, 1 LW'er and 10 RWer's

Sorry for the question my brain works/leads on a path where i think of stupid stuff like this. I have to deal with this 24/7

I think what we will focus on is how the positions are set in the sim and not worry about what is on the roster page

TurdFerguson · 08-18-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Swayze11

I think Dustin Byfuglien and Brent Burn's value just went up haha

Did it? I don't think it changes anything for those guys, value wise. Both players are already either top 6 forwards (maybe top line) or top pairing dman. Doubt they can play much more of a role then they were already playing or without taking CON hits.

I would actually think a lesser rated "rover" would see an increase in value. Not sure that player exists right now though.

Hanna Sniper · 08-18-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

Did it? I don't think it changes anything for those guys, value wise. Both players are already either top 6 forwards (maybe top line) or top pairing dman. Doubt they can play much more of a role then they were already playing or without taking CON hits.

I would actually think a lesser rated "rover" would see an increase in value. Not sure that player exists right now though.

If I remember correctly when you sent in a request to move a D to a F position once they were converted to F there was a slight OV drop as D have a slightly higher rating.

If this is the case I really think that the player would have to be listed as a F and than be able to play defense and not a D and move him up to F wither the higher OV.

I tried moving Adam Pardy last year and take advantage of his defenceman's higher OV ratings but once he was changed to F he also had a lower forward rating to equal his suckness