[News Roundup] Sunday morning musings from across the league

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Former Senators head coach Dave Cameron, who interviewed for an assistant’s job in Detroit, has met with the Calgary Flames about working for Glen Gulutzan. May be a fit in Vancouver as well with head coach Willie Desjardins.

The Flames held serious talks with the Lightning about goalie Ben Bishop and the Pittsburgh Penguins regarding Marc-Andre Fleury before setting on Elliott Friday night. The Flames even had permission to talk contract with Bishop’s camp but they did their homework on Elliott and felt he was going to be the right fit .

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http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/06/25/...play-elsewhere

This is how paranoid the Leafs have become, even pre-Lou: Part of Dave Nonis’ settlement with the club was that he couldn’t do interviews about the team without getting permission

An NHL exec on the Oilers roster rather facetiously: “They’re going to have invent a new system where the D doesn’t touch the puck. That’s going to be a challenge.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/06/25...ver-his-future

Duha on Calgary's night at the draft

He finished last season tied for second in the NHL in goals-against average and first in save percentage. In the five years Brian Elliott played goal for the St. Louis Blues, the numbers he posted were off-the-charts good.

But for Elliott, the elite numbers he posted didn’t ever translate into an elite-level reputation, which is why the Calgary Flames were able to solve their gaping hole in goal Friday, by landing the 31-year-old in the most intriguing transaction of a relatively quiet first day of the NHL’s annual entry draft

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle30619588/

It could have been a fine draft weekend for the Canucks, if not for the gut punches.

There were several, some unforeseen and others self-inflicted.

“He crossed the line,” Bergevin told The Province. “I don’t know where the line was crossed but he definitely crossed the line.”

“I talked with (the NHL) and (the league) realized they were rather innocent comments,” Canucks President Trevor Linden said. “But in an attempt to be candid and honest he probably crossed the line somewhat.”

The next body blow was missing out on Pierre-Luc Dubois, and this one hurt. Badly.

Even after losing the draft lottery, Vancouver had hoped that standout forward Dubois would drop to them at No. 5. He’s a player Benning viewed as a future first line centre. He has elite potential and coudl have been a game changer for the organization.

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...946/story.html

[Da_Chief]

The belief is some members of the Jets’ scouting staff were high on London Knights’ winger Matt Tkachuk who was taken No. 4 overall by the Edmonton Oilers. His father, Keith Tkachuk, suited up for 1,201 career games and was drafted by the Jets before they moved to Arizona, so there was that connection. Matt Tkachuk went sixth to Calgary

Great writing Bruce.

[devo22]

that one comment on the Oilers defense is gold

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by devo22

that one comment on the Oilers defense is gold

The Oilers have been so bad for so long that journalists have to go to great lengths to invent new-and-improved ways to describe just how No Good they are.

[EVERLAST]

Well the Oilers can have Wideman......I'll drive him myself I just want him gone. I liked what Nakladal brought to the team last year and I'd like to see that continue.

[lazypucker]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Great writing Bruce.

Doesn't any media have proofreaders and editors? Or are they purposely trying to sabotage Bruce? Or these proofreaders and editors equally as incompetent?

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by EVERLAST

Well the Oilers can have Wideman......I'll drive him myself I just want him gone. I liked what Nakladal brought to the team last year and I'd like to see that continue.

Wideman and 7th Round pick 2018 for Yak.

I can't tell if I am being sarcastic or not.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by lazypucker

Doesn't any media have proofreaders and editors? Or are they purposely trying to sabotage Bruce? Or these proofreaders and editors equally as incompetent?

The attitude of the average newspaper publisher seems to be, ‘Just run it through spellcheck. As long as it's spelled right, nobody will care whether it's true or not. The public are stupid, they'll believe anything we tell 'em.’

[CliffFletcher]

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

The attitude of the average newspaper publisher seems to be, ‘Just run it through spellcheck. As long as it's spelled right, nobody will care whether it's true or not. The public are stupid, they'll believe anything we tell 'em.’

I wish people could see how a newsroom actually works these days. With the severe cutbacks, skeleton crew staffing, and the expectations of online media, the time between story conception and posting it online might be 90 minutes. Reporters often write 3-4 stories a day, and there is one copy editor for every 7 or 8 reporters. But hey, you get what you pay for, and when's the last time anyone here paid for a newspaper.

Anyway, newspapers will be more or less dead as a commercial format in a few years. Then all we'll be left with is bloggers and the quasi-professional sites run by students and part-timers. No doubt the quality will be stellar.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Anyway, newspapers will be more or less dead as a commercial format in a few years. Then all we'll be left with is bloggers and the quasi-professional sites run by students and part-timers. No doubt the quality will be stellar.

Frankly, I get better information from bloggers who are experts in their fields and not professional journalists, than I ever got from journalists who were not experts in anything and rarely cited their sources. I haven't picked up a newspaper in years, except to kill time in restaurants and waiting rooms.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

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I wish people could see how a newsroom actually works these days. With the severe cutbacks, skeleton crew staffing, and the expectations of online media, the time between story conception and posting it online might be 90 minutes. Reporters often write 3-4 stories a day, and there is one copy editor for every 7 or 8 reporters. But hey, you get what you pay for, and when's the last time anyone here paid for a newspaper.

Anyway, newspapers will be more or less dead as a commercial format in a few years. Then all we'll be left with is bloggers and the quasi-professional sites run by students and part-timers. No doubt the quality will be stellar.

What came first, people not wanting to pay or reporting not worth paying for?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

What came first, people not wanting to pay or reporting not worth paying for?

What do you think the odds are of thousands of newspapers in dozens of countries all being mismanaged and employing hundreds of thousands of lazy and incompetent people?

Anyway, enjoy whatever replaces the reviled mainstream media. But anyone who thinks it will be an improvement in anything but price is delusional.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

Wideman and 7th Round pick 2018 for Yak.

I can't tell if I am being sarcastic or not.

It's odd because intellectually you know it would never happen and it's way too one sided for the Flames. But I don't think I would feel that great out it if it happened. Swapping the Oilers problem child out for a guy that can play at the NHL level an fills a position of need just sounds like something the Flames shouldn't be party to.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What do you think the odds are of thousands of newspapers in dozens of countries all being mismanaged and employing hundreds of thousands of lazy and incompetent people?

It wouldn't be the first industry that mismanaged itself into the ground, or the last. I've dealt firsthand with a couple of industries that bungled themselves into oblivion.

Anyway, enjoy whatever replaces the reviled mainstream media. But anyone who thinks it will be an improvement in anything but price is delusional.

I'm already enjoying it. It's already an improvement in every respect. For one thing, if I am actually interested in a story, I can easily do my own fact-checking and separate actual news from opinion. With legacy media, every piece is an opinion piece; you get their editorial slant baked in. And since legacy media are a tight oligopoly, and one in which ideological conformity tends to be strongly valued, you often can't even compare one outlet with another to compensate for the slant.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Anyway, enjoy whatever replaces the reviled mainstream media. But anyone who thinks it will be an improvement in anything but price is delusional.

How many inaccuracies do you find when legacy media reports on things that you actually know about? For me, it's a ton. It's hard to imagine that they are only incompetent in my specific areas of interest/expertise. At least with blogger reporting, readers tend to maintain skepticism

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Passe La Puck

What came first, people not wanting to pay or reporting not worth paying for?

Easy answer: People not wanting to pay.

There is plenty of quality reporting out there today worth your hard earned dollar.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

How many inaccuracies do you find when legacy media reports on things that you actually know about? For me, it's a ton. It's hard to imagine that they are only incompetent in my specific areas of interest/expertise. At least with blogger reporting, readers tend to maintain skepticism

Journalists were the last generalists in our society - which isn't surprising, as they were writing for a general, not an expert audience. Now that culture has fractured into dozens of narrow sub-cultures and realms of expertise, the general newspaper is dead. Experts are best served by other experts. The question is how many experts are willing to work for free, and how much will the audience miss the decline in professionalism (for example, bloggers broadcasting rumours with impunity).

[Calgary4LIfe]

Media - at least sports media - is shooting themselves in the foot though for those that want credibility.

Look at the guys who got axed recently. Look at the ones that remained employed.

Printed sports journalism is going the way of the sensationalist 'clickbait' articles, rather than the traditional and professional approach.

So, why should I pay money for these hacks, when I can get equitable material for free?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Printed sports journalism is going the way of the sensationalist 'clickbait' articles, rather than the traditional and professional approach.

If you generate money from page hits, you're going to publish click bait. Go to any online media page and look at which stories have the most hits.

When newspapers lost classified ads to the craigslist and kijiji, they lost half their revenue. The traditional and professional approach is being abandoned globally because it's not viable in a world where everyone expects the content they access online to be free. The market has spoken, and outside a handful of prestige publications like the New York Times, there simply isn't a paying market for thorough, professional, even-handed news and public affairs.

[Robbob]

Quote:
An NHL exec on the Oilers roster rather facetiously: “They’re going to have invent a new system where the D doesn’t touch the puck. That’s going to be a challenge.”

Did anyone else have the voice of Burke surface when reading that quote?