TV on Wall - Ethernet and no HDMI?!

[BigNumbers]

So my inlaws just built a new house and took possession yesterday. I went over to help mount their TVs and noticed that it has a power plate fo rthe tv behind the mount area, but it also has a plate with a coax (Is this 1984?!) and THREE ethernet ports. So I am confused on how I mount the tv and run hdmi from the shaw cable box to the TV?! I See some expensive ethernet to coax adapters online, but that seems ridiculous - Why isn't it just an HDMI port!?

I then see, in the corner of the room, another plate with the same coax and three ethernets, which I assume is the termination side of the TV plate (I'll have to check with builders, as each room seems to have such a plate and they seem to all run to the utility room).

So I think what I need to do is get an HDMI to ethernet adapter at the cable box side and then the same for the tv side?!

I am hoping someone with a similar setup can tell me how they ran it.

[cupofjoe]

You will have to get a HDbaseT balun set. It will essentially turns a single network wire into a long HDMI cable. Receiver end at TV, transmitter end at cable box. The cable box will have to sit in the utility room. Many HDbaseT have IR (for remote control) emitters and receivers and that signal is transmitted down the same network wire.

These are the ones I use for my clients.

http://www.wyrestorm.com/catalog/EX-70-4K

The other options are to fish a HDMI cable to the wallplate or mount cable box on shelf underneath.

[BigNumbers]

Thanks! That's what I figured - I ordered this, do you think it will work okay for typical shaw cable box playback?

https://www.amazon.ca/SDS-Network-Ex...959620_TE_item

[ken0042]

Are you sure they have Cat6? Most installers for home builders are using Cat5e. They wanted almost $1000 more to run Cat6 in my house; last year.

As for why they didn't run HDMI- I bet the cost was astronomical. I know I looked at it and went with the cheaper $200 conduit runs instead.

[BigNumbers]

Next question - if it does indeed terminate in the utility room, then how do I figure out which wire to use?! There are over 50 ethernet cables, all un terminated, landing in the utility room in a big looped bundle.

I assume ther ei sa wire tester style thing I can buy to figure out which end is which?

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Are you sure they have Cat6? Most installers for home builders are using Cat5e. They wanted almost $1000 more to run Cat6 in my house; last year.

As for why they didn't run HDMI- I bet the cost was astronomical. I know I looked at it and went with the cheaper $200 conduit runs instead.

Thanks! You're probably right, i bet it's cat5. ####. So I need to order some cat5 adapter?

[BigNumbers]

I ordered this one, says it works on cat5/cat5e/cat6...
https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

I assume ther ei sa wire tester style thing I can buy to figure out which end is which?

Yes, you are looking for a tool called a "toner."
Edit - like this: https://www.amazon.ca/Fluke-Networks.../dp/B000FTADX0
(No idea if that one is good- just the first search result.)

[BigNumbers]

Looks like it is cat5e from the photo I took - I see 5e on the plate

hidden for size:

NSFW!

I was gonig to buy this toner as its cheap: https://www.amazon.ca/Network-Ethern...toner+ethernet

any thoguths

then this cirmper: https://www.amazon.ca/TRENDnet-RJ-11...Y08Y93VSC7NJBE

[BigNumbers]

Alright so I ordered a bit better tester, but the reviews are hit and miss, so we'll see. Also ordered the crimper I listed and whatever Rj45 heads it said I should... so we'll see how it all goes.

https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[Fuzz]

Have you ever done these before?

[BigNumbers]

I've wired my own RJ45, and the HDMI extended looks like a no brainer - only thing I haven't done before is locate the wires... so either this thing works (or I figure out out) or I hire someone... But it seems too simple for a tech minded guy like me not to try...

Apologies for the stilted posts, I had about 20 minutes before the one day shipping window for amazon closed and I couldn't get this stuff for tomorrow - so I may have come off a bit hair-brained here as I rushed to get all this random jazz ordered...

[Fuzz]

Ya, ok, as long as you know how to terminate them properly it shouldn't be a big deal, other than there being so many of them.

[BigNumbers]

Yah - my only concern is I don't want to terminate all 50 in the utility room to figure out which is the one I need... so I think I'll just plug the cat5e tone generator into the wall ethernet port I want to use, and then use the probe tester against the unterminated cables... hopefully that works, or else i'll have to start terminating and testing, which will suuuuuuuck.

[ken0042]

Yes, if you can crimp Cat5 cable doing the testing will be a walk in the park. On the that we don't see on the black box will be a port to plug a LAN cable into. Just run a 6 foot cable from the port terminated where the TV goes. Then go downstairs and start using the toner to find the cable. It works best to test one cable at a time; you should be able to test one every couple of seconds. Have masking tape handy to mark the ones that show as positive. You will get a few false positives as the cables that run together will bleed into each other. Once you find the 3 or 4 potentials, then test those slowly. You will be able to find the winner as it will be the loudest.

Yeah, I was choked when I paid an extra $1400 for cable, LAN and conduit runs and found the cable ends not terminated downstairs. That was one thing my builder was good for- getting them back in to terminate the cable ends. (I suck at doing those.)

[Buff]

both ends for cat5e:

1 - orange white
2 - orange
3 - green white
4 - blue
5 - blue white
6 - green
7 - brown white
8 - brown

[cupofjoe]

Be careful with terminations, they will make or break your experience. Balun/HDMI can be very fussy. Best practices are no couplers, keystone jacks or ez connectors (pass through style). RJ45 plugs with T568B termination (shown above).

I only use HDbaseT baluns as they are pretty bullet proof, I have tried using cheaper non-HDbaseT baluns but it was a very hit and miss experience. So if you have any problems with one you order maybe try its bigger brother

https://www.amazon.ca/E-SDS-HDBaseT-...extender&psc=1

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by Buff

both ends for cat5e:

1 - orange white
2 - orange
3 - green white
4 - blue
5 - blue white
6 - green
7 - brown white
8 - brown

Unless they did them the other way in the wall....Best to unscrew the plate and see what they did for the female connections.

[cupofjoe]

don't use A, cut off the keystone jack and rewire it with rj-45 plug spec b.

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by cupofjoe

don't use A, cut off the keystone jack and rewire it with rj-45 plug spec b.

Care to elaborate?