[Game Takes] Sabres 6 Flames 3

[Bingo]

These are getting hard to write

http://www.calgarypuck.com/2016/03/g...es-6-flames-3/

[Vulcan]

I like our draft pick situation improving but damn we're wasting last years confidence building. I'm trying to take this season as an aberration brought on by a lousy start due to lousy goaltending and a lousy injury to Brodie. Next season we need a good start.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Thanks for the analysis.

The Flames were giving up the puck all night but Hiller was exceptionally bad tonight.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Bylsma nailed it tonight.

Score through the wickets on the first goal, and a fired up Hiller will take drastic offense. He will stay on his knees the rest of the game to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Shoot high.

Repeat.

Last 7 starts : 5GA x2, 4 GA x4, 2 GA x1

And actually a couple of those tonight I don't blame the guy, but a body of work is sure building up.

[Dion]

It boggles my mind that Hiller is getting any playing time. He's not going to be here next season so why not ride Ortio for most of the games and throw in Backstrom when he needs a game off. We need to get a clearer picture if Ortio is worth bringing back next season.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Dion

It boggles my mind that Hiller is getting any playing time. He's not going to be here next season so why not ride Ortio for most of the games and throw in Backstrom when he needs a game off.

Best guess is organizational loyalty giving him the opportunity to salvage a chance at a future NHL contract anywhere by at least putting together a good showing or two?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Best guess is organizational loyalty giving him the opportunity to salvage a chance at a future NHL contract anywhere by at least putting together a good showing or two?

That thought did cross mind when Ramo got hurt. Now any chance at salvaging another season in the NHL IMO is long gone. His style of being on his knees all the time makes it easy for other teams to score on him. That and he's not quick enough when going post to post. My guess is he retires and heads back home.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Dion

It boggles my mind that Hiller is getting any playing time. He's not going to be here next season so why not ride Ortio for most of the games and throw in Backstrom when he needs a game off. We need to get a clearer picture if Ortio is worth bringing back next season.

Ortio is the closest thing we have to a serviceable goalie for next season. I don't think we'll have much choice in that regard unless Treliving pulls off some miracle acquisition at the draft.

Orts is best when he's full of confidence, and unfortunately the team in front of him hasn't filled him with much of that this season. I'm sure Hiller started simply to give Ortio a rest.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Dion

It boggles my mind that Hiller is getting any playing time. He's not going to be here next season so why not ride Ortio for most of the games and throw in Backstrom when he needs a game off. We need to get a clearer picture if Ortio is worth bringing back next season.

Maybe the team were worried that Ortio might pull off a victory against the lowly Sabres, so went for the sure thing loss in Hiller instead. Nothing to play for now except a great draft position, so why not use everything at your disposal like a crappy goalie.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Well its official. Edmonton has more points then us. We are 2nd last. Only Toronto is worse then Calgary right now. Who woulda ever guessed it?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Dion

It boggles my mind that Hiller is getting any playing time. He's not going to be here next season so why not ride Ortio for most of the games and throw in Backstrom when he needs a game off. We need to get a clearer picture if Ortio is worth bringing back next season.

I think it's a message from Bob to Treliving. Give me an NHL Goaltender or i'll keep rotating the ones you gave me. It also suggests Bob doesn't think Ortio is the solution next year either.

I also think this was a "Prove It" game for Hiller, and I would be very surprised to see him get another start. Ortio would have to be really, really bad to earn Hiller another start.

I think this is why Hiller wasn't pulled. Give him the whole game.

[Sample00]

I've never been more frustrated by a goaltender than I have with Hiller.

A) Its obvious he's lost his confidence but I dont know what situation you need to put him in order for him to get it back. And then, is it really the team's problem when you have 3 goalies auditioning for next year's gig.

B) I wonder if the game hasnt passed him by. His style is outdated and he's not big enough to spend that much time on his knees. He's not 6'7" and 240lbs that he covers up most of the net.

C) i agree with the rest, either give Ortio the rest of the games and see if he's the kid going forward or throw Backstrom in there and see if he can bridge us until the kids on the farm are ready.

[MarkGio]

I dunno guys, apparently there's no harm in letting Hiller get starts. Apparently it's the right thing to do

[Boblobla]

My issue with the constant Hiller starts is it does not align with the always earned mentality that we have been told about. Ortio was pretty good in a loss the other night and deserved the start.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think it's a message from Bob to Treliving. Give me an NHL Goaltender or i'll keep rotating the ones you gave me. It also suggests Bob doesn't think Ortio is the solution next year either.

I also think this was a "Prove It" game for Hiller, and I would be very surprised to see him get another start. Ortio would have to be really, really bad to earn Hiller another start.

I think this is why Hiller wasn't pulled. Give him the whole game.

Hartley really isn't in any position to be sending messages. He's likely got until about a quarter of the way into next season to turn the ship around, or he'll be looking for a new job.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I like our draft pick situation improving but damn we're wasting last years confidence building. I'm trying to take this season as an aberration brought on by a lousy start due to lousy goaltending and a lousy injury to Brodie. Next season we need a good start.

Yeah, but I am not worries, personally.

The guys got a taste of playoffs and winning last year. This year they are getting a taste of losing.

I am confident that the difference between the two, and the underlying message from that, will not be lost on them.

[ricardodw]

This line-up is almost what the Flames have going for them next year.

They have gone 1-9-1 since Russell played his last game as a Flame.

This is the worst Flame team ... basically of all time.... What makes it worse is that they are spending pretty close to what the Cap will allow them.

It is glaringly obvious that the Flame had a better chance of winning when Wideman and Russell and Hudler were in the lineup.

The defense that is lining up last night is pretty close to what the Flames have going forward... Taking Smid out of the equation (somehow) and putting wotherspoon in at #7 leaves the Flames with the 2nd highest paid d corps in the league at 27 + M


All the analysis of the sv % of a goalie does not take in the adjustment of the run and gun style of play... Grant Fuhr when he was acknowledged as one of the best goalies in the world his sv % never reflected it.

2010-11 the Detroit Red Wings with Lidstrom and Rafalski were playing the most open run and gun system in modern History.... Howard's Sv% was his career low at .908. Lidstrom 62pts , Rafalski 48 Kronwall 37 -

In 2008-9 Osgoode was 26-9-8 and had a .889 sv %. Lidstrom 59 pts. Rafalski 59 pts Kronwall 51 pts.



Whatever goalie the Flames get under this system will see their save % drop . Higher quality shots, not as much help on rebounds and early zone exit.