Flames 1984 Draft

[FireItUp]

So I was just browsing Hockeydb (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html) looking at past drafts and 1984 has got to be the best ever draft for the Flames. Their highest pick was 12th overall but they got some nice steals in the later rounds.

1st Round 12th overall - Gary Roberts
6th Round 117th overall - Brett Hull
9st Round 180th overall - Gary Suter

To put this in perspective...
All Flames players drafted in 1984 combined for total of 3,645 career points, while all Oilers players combined for total of 92 career points.

Does anyone know who was head of scouting in 1984? cause I could go for another draft like that.

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

So I was just browsing Hockeydb (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html) looking at past drafts and 1984 has got to be the best ever draft for the Flames. Their highest pick was 12th overall but they got some nice steals in the later rounds.

1st Round 12th overall - Gary Roberts
6th Round 117th overall - Brett Hull
9st Round 180th overall - Gary Suter

To put this in perspective...
All Flames players drafted in 1984 combined for total of 3,645 career points, while all Oilers players combined for total of 92 career points.

Does anyone know who was head of scouting in 1984? cause I could go for another draft like that.

Not to mention Paul Ranheim was drafted in the second round and Jiri Hrdina in the eighth round.

Probably one of the best drafts of all time out of every team in the league...

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by boogerz

Not to mention Paul Ranheim was drafted in the second round and Jiri Hrdina in the eighth round.

Probably one of the best drafts of all time out of every team in the league...

Yeah, it's gotta be. Hopefully by the time I wake up tomorrow, someone will have figured out if it was the best draft by any team ever.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Yeah, it's gotta be. Hopefully by the time I wake up tomorrow, someone will have figured out if it was the best draft by any team ever.

For consideration.

1989 Red Wings:

11th - Sillinger
32nd - Boughner
53rd - Lidstrom
74th- Fedorov
116th - Drake
221st - Konstantinov

A total of 3,594 points in that draft.

That was also the year that they tried to draft Bure, but couldn't prove he was eligible.


1979 Oilers:
21st - Lowe
48th - Messier
69th - Anderson

Combined for 3,418 points.

1980 Oilers:
6th - Coffey
69th - Kurri
90th - Poddubny
132nd - Moog

3,375 points and 372 goalie wins.
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1979 Nordiques:
20th - Goulet
41st - Dale Hunter
62nd - Norwood
83rd - A. Stastny

1979 will need an asterisks, but the Nords got 3,150 from the draft.

1983 Red Wings:
4th - Yzerman
46th - Probert
86th - Klima
88th - Kocur
186th - Grimson

3,036 points.

1971 Canadiens:
1st - Lafleur
7th - Arnason
11th - Wilson
20th - Robinson

2,822 points that year for the Canadiens draftees.

[Oling_Roachinen]

I think I got to take the 89 Wings. Four players played 1000 plus games to match the Flames 1984 depth. Seven Norris, two Selkes, a Hart, a Pearson and a Conn Smythe to compliment Sillinger's 12 team record.

[Tsawwassen]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Does anyone know who was head of scouting in 1984? cause I could go for another draft like that.

Don't know but Cliff Fletcher the GM comes to mind for having a lot of influence.

[Sylvanfan]

Konstantinov was also at the peak of his game when that unfortunate accident ended his career. He was only 30 years old and was starting to add some offence to his game.

I don't think we'll see teams haul anything close to what's listed here out of a draft. With 30 teams and only 7 rounds and every team except the Oilers taking scouting very seriously. These days if you can get 2 above average players in a single draft and another serviceable guy, that almost turns a franchise around.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

For consideration.

1989 Red Wings:

11th - Sillinger
32nd - Boughner
53rd - Lidstrom
74th- Fedorov
116th - Drake
221st - Konstantinov

A total of 3,594 points in that draft.

That was also the year that they tried to draft Bure, but couldn't prove he was eligible.


1979 Oilers:
21st - Lowe
48th - Messier
69th - Anderson

Combined for 3,418 points.

1980 Oilers:
6th - Coffey
69th - Kurri
90th - Poddubny
132nd - Moog

3,375 points and 372 goalie wins.
--------------------

1979 Nordiques:
20th - Goulet
41st - Dale Hunter
62nd - Norwood
83rd - A. Stastny

1979 will need an asterisks, but the Nords got 3,150 from the draft.

1983 Red Wings:
4th - Yzerman
46th - Probert
86th - Klima
88th - Kocur
186th - Grimson

3,036 points.

1971 Canadiens:
1st - Lafleur
7th - Arnason
11th - Wilson
20th - Robinson

2,822 points that year for the Canadiens draftees.

This is why Calgrypuck is such a great online comunity, thanks buddy.

Looks like we have a couple close challengers, but what I noticed is when you look at the top point producers and where they were drafted, every other teams top scorers were drafted within the top 100 and no one past Fedorov at 74th overall to be exact.

When you look back, Calgary does have some steals in later rounds...
Brett Hull, 117th overall - 1391 points
Theoren Fleury, 166th overall - 1088 points
Gary Suter, 180th overall - 845 points
Hakan Loob, 181th overall - 429 points
Johnny Gaudreau, 104th overall - will get 1,000,000,000 points

[getbak]

A few years ago, NHL.com ranked the all-time best single-team draft years. IIRC, the Flames' 1984 draft was ranked 4th overall.

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by getbak

A few years ago, NHL.com ranked the all-time best single-team draft years. IIRC, the Flames' 1984 draft was ranked 4th overall.

I think this is the one you're talking about, except they have the 1984 Flames ranked 5th. https://www.nhl.com/news/these-teams...draft/c-675353

[getbak]

Yeah, that looks like the one.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

So I was just browsing Hockeydb (http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html) looking at past drafts and 1984 has got to be the best ever draft for the Flames. Their highest pick was 12th overall but they got some nice steals in the later rounds.

1st Round 12th overall - Gary Roberts
6th Round 117th overall - Brett Hull
9st Round 180th overall - Gary Suter

To put this in perspective...
All Flames players drafted in 1984 combined for total of 3,645 career points, while all Oilers players combined for total of 92 career points.

Does anyone know who was head of scouting in 1984? cause I could go for another draft like that.

I believe it was the late Ian McKenzie. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...article793283/

[Harry Lime]

In that article, the Oilers snuck into the #2 spot by combining two years of draft, while the article was about best single years. So removing the the bizarre propaganda selection, the Flames year came in #4, and personally I think that they should be in #3.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

In that article, the Oilers snuck into the #2 spot by combining two years of draft, while the article was about best single years. So removing the the bizarre propaganda selection, the Flames year came in #4, and personally I think that they should be in #3.

Those two years though - they drafted a full starting lineup of all stars and put themselves on the path to dynasty. How satisfying that they can't draft worth ship these days

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I think I got to take the 89 Wings. Four players played 1000 plus games to match the Flames 1984 depth. Seven Norris, two Selkes, a Hart, a Pearson and a Conn Smythe to compliment Sillinger's 12 team record.

I agree with this sentiment.

Piggy backing off this one, Mike Sillinger lives down the street from me in Regina. His kid plays hockey with my neighbours kid. /coolstorybro

[Matata]

Does anyone know why Brett Hull was drafted so low or why he was playing in the BCJHL instead of the WHL? He straight murdered the BCJHL (BCJHL players with waaaaay less points were drafted ahead of him) and his dad is a legend, what gives?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2410
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Matata

Does anyone know why Brett Hull was drafted so low or why he was playing in the BCJHL instead of the WHL? He straight murdered the BCJHL (BCJHL players with waaaaay less points were drafted ahead of him) and his dad is a legend, what gives?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2410
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html

IIRC he was fat and unmotivated.

[Matata]

Sounds like it, I found this discussion about it;

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=909649

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

IIRC he was fat and unmotivated.

He has done a complete 360.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Matata

Does anyone know why Brett Hull was drafted so low or why he was playing in the BCJHL instead of the WHL? He straight murdered the BCJHL (BCJHL players with waaaaay less points were drafted ahead of him) and his dad is a legend, what gives?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...y.php?pid=2410
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1984e.html

Brett Hull was eligible for the draft in 1982. He was passed over twice. Unfit and unmotivated pretty much describe him as a teen.