Winnipeg media turning on Cheveldayoff

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I know it's a Flames forum but I figured its FOI and bad news about other Canadian teams isn't too much of a boat rocking. These articles are correctly pointing out how bad Chevy is... and how mediocre the Jets have been.

It's nice to see the honeymoon for Chevy is starting to end.

Paul Friesen article

Cheveldayoff saw injuries coming, they always do. And this is how he prepared?

Never mind the easy, 20-20 hindsight on letting Lee Stempniak go. Nobody could have predicted what he's doing in New Jersey.

But how about simply looking at what Stempniak did for the Jets last season – six goals, 10 points, in 18 games.

Why let that walk out the door, when you could have kept it for a song? Stempniak went into the Devils camp on a tryout and is playing for $850,000.

The guy wanted to stay, for crying out loud.

“I was hoping to go back,” Stempniak said in the summer. “But from what my agent told me, they were looking to give some spots to young guys.

National Post article

Today the Jets are a broken team, sitting close to the basement in the NHL overall standings with 47 points in 49 games — well out of a playoff spot in the Western Conference and much closer to last place overall (four points) than a wild-card position (nine points).

They are near the bottom of the league in all-important categories like power play, penalty killing and goals against.

They lack depth at forward, are not getting the kind of performance they expected from their defencemen, and can’t find a way to play consistently enough to win as many as three games in a row.

[rhino]

I wonder if the media does the same for Brad here in Calgary. Oh I see you mean turning on him, not turning him on 😜

[sureLoss]

They were already turning on him last season. until he made the Kane trade, that bought him a few months.

[JohnnyB]

TSN's article about Byfuglien seeming kind of easy-osy on signing an extension after the other recent reports that the Jets had decided to focus on Byfuglien instead of retaining Ladd can't be helping. They were looking so promising a year ago, but they seem to be coming to pieces this year.

[GranteedEV]

Jets are +6 at 5 on 5.
Jets are -18 outside of 5 on 5.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Flames and jets aren't that far apart in the standings and are even sharing some struggles in similar categories like a power-play. However as teams their trajectories are different. Expectations are higher in the Peg and I think they would have figured that they'd be turning the corner by now. Not taking two steps back. Flames on the other hand, were expected to take a while to progress.

And I have to say Chevy has handled the Buff/Ladd situations poorly, after what I think was an excellent return on the Kane trade. That and goaltending. He never addressed the goaltending.

[H2SO4(aq)]

surprised its taken this long tbh. but just last season they were the darlings on the league with all their prospect depth!

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

TSN's article about Byfuglien seeming kind of easy-osy on signing an extension after the other recent reports that the Jets had decided to focus on Byfuglien instead of retaining Ladd can't be helping. They were looking so promising a year ago, but they seem to be coming to pieces this year.

I don't care what anyone says, the Jets were a way bigger fluke than the Flames last year.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't care what anyone says, the Jets were a way bigger fluke than the Flames last year.

At worst, the two teams are of similar quality, though very different in construction. The Jets last year were positively on the cusp but Chevy didn't make the right moves to take the next step for this season. You can't perpetually rebuild, he should've moved some expendables and youth/picks for a top 4 LH defenseman and another top 6 center. He should've kept Stempniak too, who has always been a solid 3 RW. Luckily Hellebuyck has been phenomenal otherwise they'd be even further behind. He needed to combine that luck with a couple solid additions to round out the team, instead he wants to play the long game forever. He's too conservative for his own good, even factoring in the Kane trade (which was forced).

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Originally Posted by N-E-B

I don't care what anyone says, the Jets were a way bigger fluke than the Flames last year.

Going to have to disagree with you there. This is what happens when you let 3 valuable vets walk away who wanted to come back. Frolik offered the Jets 4x4 2 years ago, Chevy in all his wisdom said no. Then the Jets refused to give him 5 years last off season and he walked. Stempniak walked after publicly stating his desire to stay and the Jets refusing to sign him. Tlusty walked with no
offer too.

You can't just gut a team like that and keep meatheads like Peluso and and Thorburn and Stuart and expect good results. If this team had Hellebuyck from the start of the year and still had Tlusty/Stemp/Frolik this is a #3 team in the central.

Hell, just Hellebuyck himself and his expected points per game would put Winnipeg in a wildcard spot. Chevy is a terrible manager of talent and evaluator of talent and has totally scuttled this season. If he screws up the BUff and Ladd situations... jesus. This team will truly be doomed for 3 more years minimum.

[Dr. Doom]

How many deals has this guy made?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

How many deals has this guy made?

20: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...heveldayoff/94

[dino7c]

Jets should be further along than the Flames

[T@T]

How many years before they move to Seattle?

Boeing would love the name in that area, probably would be a huge sponsor

Seriously, if contract negotiations mean anything Buff and Ladd can't wait to sign on elsewhere for cheaper.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Going to have to disagree with you there. This is what happens when you let 3 valuable vets walk away who wanted to come back. Frolik offered the Jets 4x4 2 years ago, Chevy in all his wisdom said no. Then the Jets refused to give him 5 years last off season and he walked. Stempniak walked after publicly stating his desire to stay and the Jets refusing to sign him. Tlusty walked with no
offer too.

You can't just gut a team like that and keep meatheads like Peluso and and Thorburn and Stuart and expect good results. If this team had Hellebuyck from the start of the year and still had Tlusty/Stemp/Frolik this is a #3 team in the central.

Hell, just Hellebuyck himself and his expected points per game would put Winnipeg in a wildcard spot. Chevy is a terrible manager of talent and evaluator of talent and has totally scuttled this season. If he screws up the BUff and Ladd situations... jesus. This team will truly be doomed for 3 more years minimum.

I think what the Jets are really lacking is a true legitimate game-changer. They need a superstar. They've got some great pieces like Ehlers, Scheiffele(sp?), Trouba, and Morrissey, but they don't have that gamebreaker yet. A high (like, top-3) draft pick would do wonders for that team. I also don't think they can afford to let Buff go. Hopefully for your sake Chevy gets that figured out.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Flames and jets aren't that far apart in the standings and are even sharing some struggles in similar categories like a power-play. However as teams their trajectories are different. Expectations are higher in the Peg and I think they would have figured that they'd be turning the corner by now. Not taking two steps back. Flames on the other hand, were expected to take a while to progress.

And I have to say Chevy has handled the Buff/Ladd situations poorly, after what I think was an excellent return on the Kane trade. That and goaltending. He never addressed the goaltending.

Hellebuyck has solved the goal tending for them

[calgaryblood]

The Jets simply aren't a good team. They weren't when they were the Thrashers and they aren't a good team now.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by getbak

20: http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...heveldayoff/94

Interesting site. I'm kind of surprised that he made that many trades.

But I guess it's less than most other GM's in the same amount of time.

[Caged Great]

The Jets are the victim of shooting themselves directly in the foot. It is perfectly fine to let players walk or to trade them off at the deadline. However, if you don't replace them with at least semi-comparable guys, that will screw you over. With their season a year ago, they could have added free agents on July 1st, but they wanted the kids to take spots. If you're counting on youth to step in and be as good as a veteran, that's just stupid. They have to earn it and show they're ready. A guy like Jooris last season showed he was ready and took a spot. Now that they're a bottom feeder, they are going to have a hell of a time to acquire players through free agency unless they over pay. That will be magnified with Byfuglien and Ladd both likely leaving and Trouba sounding like he wants out as well.

It makes perfect sense that they've regressed, you can't lose quality depth players and not replace them with other quality depth guys and expect things to remain the same. Typically good depth players are effective on special teams, especially the PK. Their -18 rating when not 5 on 5 shows that.

Calgary is in a different position because of the fact that they are already a bottom 5 team. If they decide to pull the trigger on a bunch of guys, they have some temp guys that can play and they have the opportunity to acquire players on July 1st just because of Johnny Gaudreau. Players will go to teams with young star players like Frolik because they eventually are on their way up.

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Originally Posted by N-E-B

I think what the Jets are really lacking is a true legitimate game-changer. They need a superstar. They've got some great pieces like Ehlers, Scheiffele(sp?), Trouba, and Morrissey, but they don't have that gamebreaker yet. A high (like, top-3) draft pick would do wonders for that team.

I think Buff and Wheeler would be considered elite and game changers if they had a long playoff run. They're both at that level.. but until you get some playoff credentials you dont seem to earn that rep. Especially in a small market like Winnipeg.

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Hopefully for your sake Chevy gets that figured out.

I have very little faith in Chevy, but he's shown that he will listen to his scouts as far as drafting goes. He's also shown he can win a trade (Buffalo). But honestly I can see us missing the playoffs this year and next quite easily. Draft high, get a new GM, and have a very bright future still. *sigh*