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Old 08-27-2005, 06:47 AM   #1
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Years ago, I used to dabble in hockey sim leagues — even wrote a simulator of my own, with which I ran the (rather peculiar) Unidentified Hockey League, or 'UnHL', for 7 seasons, 1994-2001. I'm toying with the idea of getting involved in this hobby again. I know CP has its own FHL league, and I suspect there are other people on the board who participate in leagues with FHL or other simulators.

So I address these questions to those of you who play in the various sim leagues:

1. What's a good way of finding a league to participate in?

2. Which simulator do you recommend: FHL, Faceoff, HLS2, something else?

3. FHL in particular is said to have a nasty learning curve. Any advice on how to get up to speed with an unfamiliar program?

4. What really appeals to me is the kind of league that uses completely made-up players and teams, where the fun is in building up a franchise and watching your talent develop over time. I've stumbled across a few such leagues that run several seasons per year, so you can get a kind of time-lapse view of the league's history. Where's a good place to look for such a league?

5. If there isn't really a good answer to #4, I may have to consider starting a league especially for the purpose. Any advice on that?

Thanks in advance to all you wise souls who lend me the benefit of your experience.
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:56 AM   #2
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first off let me say this...if you are interested in playing again give the CPHL a shot...the application is on the main page. Although we use the FHL sim to play games we use it for nothing else. Most sim leagues use it for finances, coaching, etc etc etc. WE are tied somewhat to reality though...although impossible to be accurate.

As far as other leagues...well theres always hundreds...most of them fall off the radar after one or two years...its a ton of work. Youll find the made up leagues in the following FHL Board.
This part of FHL Sims message board always advertises leagues looking for GMs..
FHL Leagues
You may find a bunch of those already gone under.
FHL is still the best software to run any league...its somewhat simple and easy to use and has fewer bugs than most others. Its also cheaper.
If you have any other questions drop me a PM and ill be happy to yak at ya.
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Old 08-27-2005, 09:23 AM   #3
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Cheese is absolutely right. You can check out the FHL messageboard site he linked for leagues advertising for GMs.

He is also right about leagues going under rather quickly. Running a league is a ton of work and many lose interest fast. I have had many GMs join another league only to find out that the new GMs in the new league are not very active. Lack of activity on the part of the GM ruins the league eventually.

Or the new leauge really isn't run well by the person that started it.

So yeah, you can find lots of leagues, but they do tend to disappear rather quickly.
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:07 AM   #4
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Hmm. Suggests that my 7-year stint wasn't so bad, as these things go.

The thing that drives me nuts about FHL is that there appears to be no manual. There is a section of the website clearly labelled 'FHL Manual', but if you click on the link, you get a notice explaining that this is where the manual is eventually going to go. And the date on the notice is 2003. This is not much help to someone who wants to learn the game.

Neither is the fact that a skater in FHL has 13 separate ratings, all expressed as percentages, with no indication of how the 'Overall' rating is calculated. As an amateur game designer from way back, I hate it when a designer thinks that lots of number-crunching equals realism.

The best games are often those with simple rules and open-ended situations. There are only six kinds of chessmen, yet chess is infinitely deep: after 1500 years, no one has ever played the perfect game. There are only six positions in hockey, and coaches drill their players to be as interchangeable as possible, yet no two hockey games are ever quite alike.

I once read about Dave King's rating system for pro scouting. He only kept track of a few variables — offence, defence, skating speed, physical play, maybe one or two others — and the ratings were small numbers, from 1 to 4 or thereabouts. Yet that was enough to give him a solid read on every player and prospect in his database. It seems to me that a sim could have much simpler mechanics than FHL or Faceoff and still capture the essential flavour of the game. That was the theory I used in building my own simulator, and it seemed to work pretty well.

I would have liked to try the CPHL, but I understand there's a long waiting list. And I'm rather afraid of getting in over my head, since I don't know the FHL system and would be playing against experts.

Thanks very much, guys, for the input. I'll have to do some more digging.
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Old 08-27-2005, 10:32 AM   #5
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dropped you a PM JR...get back to me.
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Old 08-27-2005, 01:46 PM   #6
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LOL @ Experts


There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Oh and that face in Cheese's avatar :P
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