10-26-2012, 01:19 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Tougher immigration measures for newlyweds introduced
Glad to see this. Its about time the government started to make it more difficult to perpetrate immigration fraud. Way too many illegal aliens in this country to begin with (which we probably can't do much about) but this at least is a step in the right direction. Hats off to every immigrant who came to Canada the right way.... right way meaning they followed the rules.
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Childless men and women sponsored for Canadian citizens they wed must live together for two years under new regulations targeting widespread marriage fraud.
"There are countless cases of marriage fraud across the country," Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney told reporters Friday at a hotel near Pearson airport, one day after the new regulation was enacted.
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The two-year Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations amendments that began Thursday start the day a newcomer receives permanent resident status in Canada - which would be revoked if a couple splits or never lives together, Kenney said, adding that exemptions would be considered by officials in cases involving proven abuse by the sponsor or a relative, neglect or the sponsor's death.
The amendments, which he said are similar to those already in place in Australia, the U.S. and UK, were enacted five months after the Canadian government introduced a measure that prohibits sponsored spouses from sponsoring a new spouse for five years after they become a permanent resident.
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http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/26...eds-introduced
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10-26-2012, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rerun
Glad to see this. Its about time the government started to make it more difficult to perpetrate immigration fraud. Way too many illegal aliens in this country to begin with (which we probably can't do much about) but this at least is a step in the right direction. Hats off to every immigrant who came to Canada the right way.... right way meaning they followed the rules.
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Really?
How many is too many? I have never hear of any data that supported any statistically significant portion of the immigrant population being illegal.
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10-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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There was some poor bugger in the news last week who had married a Russian woman, she dumped him as soon as she got her residency and went on welfare. Since he is her sponsor he has to pay for her welfare for 3 years. Clearly this needed to be fixed.
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10-26-2012, 01:22 PM
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Rerun, you're all over the immigrantion/language issue eh. Hopefully you have the correct papers for your dog, don't want him deported from Ranchmans.
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10-26-2012, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacks
There was some poor bugger in the news last week who had married a Russian woman, she dumped him as soon as she got her residency and went on welfare. Since he is her sponsor he has to pay for her welfare for 3 years. Clearly this needed to be fixed.
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really?
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10-26-2012, 01:25 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...riagebill.html
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The first bill he received was for $24,899.34. He paid an initial lump sum, but still owes almost $17,000. He lives on a monthly pension income of $1,600 and owns a home.
“The warning was — if I don’t pay — they will go after my property,” said Munz, who is now making monthly payments of $500. "I was scared they would go after my property."
Under federal rules, any Canadian who marries and sponsors a foreigner is legally responsible for supporting them for three years after their spouse gets permanent residency.
If they collect social assistance in that period, the sponsor must pay it back, even if they get divorced in the interim.
“I've been stuck with that,” said Munz. “But then, how come they cannot take her permanent citizen status away?”
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10-26-2012, 01:29 PM
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If you are stupid enough to believe your Russian mail order bride "loves" you . . .
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10-26-2012, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by troutman
If you are stupid enough to believe your Russian mail order bride "loves" you . . .
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I guess so.
Keep in mind she is 72 years old, it's not like she's a 20 year old stripper. I think it would be reasonable to think she might want a husband. Regardless, her residency should have been revoked since she obviously was just using the guy to get in the country.
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10-26-2012, 01:58 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by Rathji
Really?
How many is too many? I have never hear of any data that supported any statistically significant portion of the immigrant population being illegal.
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...w.html?cmp=rss
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It's hard to put numbers on the trade in illegal immigrants to Canada, but the RCMP says that between 1997 and 2002, smugglers assisted about 12 per cent of the 14,792 improperly documented migrants who were intercepted in Canada or en route to the country.
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I would say that almost 15,000 illegal immigrants arriving into Canada in a 5 year period is a significant number of people.
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There is no credible information available on unathorized immigration in Canada. Estimates range between 35,000 and 120,000 unauthorized immigrants in Canada.[57] James Bissett, a former head of the Canadian Immigration Service, has suggested that the lack of any credible refugee screening process, combined with a high likelihood of ignoring any deportation orders, has resulted in tens of thousands of outstanding warrants for the arrest of rejected refugee claimants, with little attempt at enforcement.[58] Refugee claimants in Canada do not have to attempt re-entry to learn the status of their claim. A 2008 report by the Auditor General Sheila Fraser stated that Canada has lost track of as many as 41,000 illegal immigrants.[59][60] This number was predicted to increase drastically with the expiration of temporary employer work permits issued in 2007 and 2008, which were not renewed in many cases because of the shortage of work due to the recession.[61]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration
Last edited by Rerun; 10-26-2012 at 02:07 PM.
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10-26-2012, 02:06 PM
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I would say you have an incredibly warped view of global illegal immigration. 15,000 is nothing.
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10-26-2012, 02:09 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by valo403
I would say you have an incredibly warped view of global illegal immigration. 15,000 is nothing.
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15,000 over a 5 year period, is a lot IMO. 1 is too many.
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10-26-2012, 02:11 PM
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God damn Mexicans! Border jumping and . . . wait, what country is this?
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10-26-2012, 02:16 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by Rathji
Really?
How many is too many? I have never hear of any data that supported any statistically significant portion of the immigrant population being illegal.
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I stated my opinion on the changes being made... what's your opinion? For or against?
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10-26-2012, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Rerun
15,000 over a 5 year period, is a lot IMO. 1 is too many.
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lol, this reminds me of rebublicans in the states trying to make a big deal out of voter fraud.
3000 people a year is nothing.
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10-26-2012, 02:24 PM
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Often Thinks About Pickles
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Originally Posted by flameswin
lol, this reminds me of rebublicans in the states trying to make a big deal out of voter fraud.
3000 people a year is nothing.
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Thats 3000 per year of "documented" cases. How many more undocumented cases are there?
Nothing at all wrong with tightening up our immigration regulations. I just fail to understand the ambivalent attitude towards cheaters, on here.... as if its ok and just the cost of doing business.
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10-26-2012, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jacks
I guess so.
Keep in mind she is 72 years old, it's not like she's a 20 year old stripper. I think it would be reasonable to think she might want a husband. Regardless, her residency should have been revoked since she obviously was just using the guy to get in the country.
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This makes him even more stupid, if you are going to get screwed over at least it should be buy a 20 year old stripper, that you can boast about.
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10-26-2012, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rerun
15,000 over a 5 year period, is a lot IMO. 1 is too many.
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Please tell me you have an idiotic 'they tuk r jubs' argument behind this. Please!!!
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10-26-2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Rerun
I stated my opinion on the changes being made... what's your opinion? For or against?
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I don't mind the changes, but I do think that making a big deal out of, or putting significant additional resources into fighting illegal immigration into Canada is a bit foolish.
Of those 15,000 documented illegal immigrants that you mention, how many are from these types of marriages?
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10-26-2012, 03:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rerun
15,000 over a 5 year period, is a lot IMO. 1 is too many.
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Lol... The US gets roughly 1.5 million over a 5 year period. Insignificant number is insignificant.
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