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puckluck · 07-19-2011, 09:27 PM

What can we expect from him coming into camp?

I don't know why, but I think he's going to be traded or demand a trade. He did have some beef with how he was handled in the AHL last season.

Where would he slot in if he did make the team? 5th-6th guy? consistent PP time?

Also, what are some reasonable returns if he did get traded? 3rd round pick? would second be out of the question? he is a promising young D-man.

Mass_nerder · 07-19-2011, 09:32 PM

I don't think we should be trading him at all, unless it's a piece of a much larger transaction. That being said, if all we could get for him would be a 3rd, it would make much more sense to hold onto him.
Brodie is close, maybe a year or two from being an NHL regular...a 3rd is a "long shot".

kehatch · 07-19-2011, 09:37 PM

Where are you getting that feeling from?

I really doubt he demands a trade. He was given an opportunity at 20 to make the Flames. From the interviews I heard he appreciated his development opportunities with the Heat.

The Flames won't trade him, especially with Erixon gone. If they were I don't see an amazing return. He isn't a top NHL prospect. We are just really excited about him based on our lack of prospects. Though I do think we would get a second.

If he makes the team it will probably be in a 5/6 role. I can't see them putting him in the 7 spot. They don't want to sit him.

dissentowner · 07-19-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by puckluck

What can we expect from him coming into camp?

I don't know why, but I think he's going to be traded or demand a trade. He did have some beef with how he was handled in the AHL last season.

Where would he slot in if he did make the team? 5th-6th guy? consistent PP time?

Also, what are some reasonable returns if he did get traded? 3rd round pick? would second be out of the question? he is a promising young D-man.

Where was it written or said he had a beef in the AHL last season?

kyuss275 · 07-19-2011, 09:41 PM

I think he will have a strong camp. He will either be our bottom pairing defence men or he will be with the heat. They will not put him in the press box.

I don't think he will demand a trade. That being said i could see him being part of a trade package to get a #1 center in the future. Lets face it we will have to give a good prospect up as part of the deal. It would either be him, Sven or Backs as part of the package.

Da_Chief · 07-19-2011, 09:41 PM

Trade him to the Rangers.

Daradon · 07-19-2011, 09:42 PM

Yeah, I never heard that he was unhappy.

And I don't think we'd trade him for a 3rd. It would have to be more than that. He came close (reasonably close) to making the team last year. He should be all but a lock this year considering we are weaker on D and he's got another year experience.

I could see him starting as our 6th.

kehatch · 07-19-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Trade him to the Rangers.

Straight up for Erixon?

dissentowner · 07-19-2011, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Trade him to the Rangers.

For Tim Erixon!

kyuss275 · 07-19-2011, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dissentowner

Where was it written or said he had a beef in the AHL last season?

I remember hearing that he thought he was hot S*** after making the flames and then demoted to the heat. I don't think it was a beef, just his attitude which changed quickly when he found out that he had a lot to learn. Playfair had nothing but good things to say about him at the end of the year.

kehatch · 07-19-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daradon

Yeah, I never heard that he was unhappy.

And I don't think we'd trade him for a 3rd. It would have to be more than that. He came close (reasonably close) to making the team last year. He should be all but a lock this year considering we are weaker on D and he's got another year experience.

I could see him starting as our 6th.

With Wilson, Henry, Mikkelson, Smith, Breen, Piskula, Carson, and Negrin all looking for the 6 and 7 spots I would say he is far from a lock. In fact, unless he really improved his defensive game I don't think he makes the team.

Last year we lacked an offensive D-man with the Flames and the competition from the Heat was minimal. This season we have Babchuk on the Flames and Smith, Henry, and Wilson have been added as offensive options.

TurnedTheCorner · 07-19-2011, 09:47 PM

I'd be shocked if he demanded a trade.

Calgary4LIfe · 07-19-2011, 09:48 PM

Brodie had some 'issues' with his attitude or play when joining the AHL, and thought he was too good for that league. I remember Feaster remarking on that, and Playfair as well. However, Playfair straightened him out, and Brodie was thankful for the coaching and getting him to be a better defencemen.

There is no 'beef' with the Flames, and I would be shocked to learn that Brodie would request a trade.

He - as well as any other defencemen this year - should know that if he wants to make the team, it is 100% up to him this year. There is a definite hole in the lineup on the backend - I really see it as:

Bouw, Gio, Sarich, Butler, Babchuk are essentially 'locks' this season, but the 6th spot will probably be up for grabs amongst the rest. Mikelsson, Brodie, Carson, Breen and the AHL tweeners with some NHL experience will all be competing for the 6th spot. The players above will also be competing for the 7th spot, with the exception of Brodie and Breen. I think the Flames want to see Brodie and Breen playing - if not the Flames, then the Heat. They will not be sat as the 7th.

Phanuthier · 07-19-2011, 09:51 PM

I think Brodie was one of the guys that was mentioned as one of the farm hand malcontent's that felt they would never be given a shot at a Calgary Flames roster spot. There was also that article where Brodie admitted not to have the best attitude at the start of the season on the Heat, but soon started to turn his attitude around.

Now that the Flames have a crapload of guys competing for that bottum pairing spot, and 14 one-way contracts... and Irving having considered taking a job over in Europe... yeah I'd say there's probably a bit of hurt feelings down on the farm. I'm really hoping that Feaster is good to his word and fixed that one issue (probably the biggest issue) Darryl left.

kehatch · 07-19-2011, 09:53 PM

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Bouw, Gio, Sarich, Butler, Babchuk are essentially 'locks' this season, but the 6th spot will probably be up for grabs amongst the rest. Mikelsson, Brodie, Carson, Breen and the AHL tweeners with some NHL experience will all be competing for the 6th spot. The players above will also be competing for the 7th spot, with the exception of Brodie and Breen. I think the Flames want to see Brodie and Breen playing - if not the Flames, then the Heat. They will not be sat as the 7th.

I agree with most of that, but I think the 6 spot is for Carson to lose. He played decent minutes in a top 4 role for the Flames last season and he is the only RH shot other then Negrin in the running. He is also on a 1-way contract, is waiver eligible, and would almost certainly be picked up on waivers.

I think Wilson, Henry, and Smith are going to end up in the AHL barring other options. They will be activated in a call-up role.

Which really leaves Piskula and Mikkelson fighting for the 7 spot. I think it goes to Mikkelson, but we will have to wait and see.

Brodie could end up slotting in for some time if the Flames choose to carry 8D, similar to last season. But he would have to jump over Carson, Butler, or Sarich to stay there and I think that is unlikely. More likely he gets called up due to injury.

kehatch · 07-19-2011, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Now that the Flames have a crapload of guys competing for that bottum pairing spot, and 14 one-way contracts... and Irving having considered taking a job over in Europe... yeah I'd say there's probably a bit of hurt feelings down on the farm. I'm really hoping that Feaster is good to his word and fixed that one issue (probably the biggest issue) Darryl left.

14 one-way contracts? Try 6. Bouwmeester, Giordano, Carson, Sarich, Butler, and Babchuk. Everyone else is on a 2-way contract. There are a number of waiver eligible players, but only Mikkelson is at real risk of being picked up. And even then I would say the chances are pretty low.

Given the lack of D depth Calgary is ripe for a D-man to step up. More then most teams. Which I think was proven in some regard by Babchuk signing as well as being able to get high profile AHL guys like Wilson and Smith.

Now on forward we have a different story.

kyuss275 · 07-19-2011, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Brodie had some 'issues' with his attitude or play when joining the AHL, and thought he was too good for that league. I remember Feaster remarking on that, and Playfair as well. However, Playfair straightened him out, and Brodie was thankful for the coaching and getting him to be a better defencemen.

There is no 'beef' with the Flames, and I would be shocked to learn that Brodie would request a trade.

He - as well as any other defencemen this year - should know that if he wants to make the team, it is 100% up to him this year. There is a definite hole in the lineup on the backend - I really see it as:

Bouw, Gio, Sarich, Butler, Babchuk are essentially 'locks' this season, but the 6th spot will probably be up for grabs amongst the rest. Mikelsson, Brodie, Carson, Breen and the AHL tweeners with some NHL experience will all be competing for the 6th spot. The players above will also be competing for the 7th spot, with the exception of Brodie and Breen. I think the Flames want to see Brodie and Breen playing - if not the Flames, then the Heat. They will not be sat as the 7th.

I agree with what you are saying and what another poster put out that Carson at the 6th spot is his to lose. Not much mention of Negrin from anybody. I excpect him to have a strong camp also. Would not be surprised to see him get the 7th spot.

Phanuthier · 07-19-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kehatch

14 one-way contracts? Try 6. Bouwmeester, Giordano, Carson, Sarich, Butler, and Babchuk. Everyone else is on a 2-way contract. There are a number of waiver eligible players, but only Mikkelson is at real risk of being picked up. And even then I would say the chances are pretty low.

Gee, given the context of 14 one way contracts, what could I possibly be talking about? I just can't figure it out.

Esoteric · 07-19-2011, 10:05 PM

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Gee, given the context of 14 one way contracts, what could I possibly be talking about? I just can't figure it out.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

puckluck · 07-19-2011, 10:08 PM

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I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you actually read his post you'd understand. He's saying that players in the AHL feel like they have no fighting chance because there are 14 one way contracts on the team. Not saying that's right, but I thought it was pretty easy to understand.