In Goal Magazine Top 50 Prospects

[Bingo]

http://ingoalmag.com/features/top-50...5-2016-season/

Gillies 10
McDonald 15

Broissoit 29th

Ortio not eligible

[GranteedEV]

Fair, though I'd disagree with Demko over McDonald. I wouldn't trade McDonald for Demko.

On a side note, #7 Ville Husso was drafted with the same pick we gave up for Joe Colborne. Interesting it turned out pretty well for... St. Louis

[Fire of the Phoenix]

#10 for Gillies? Really? What else does the guy have to do? Lead his team in scoring? Maybe I'm being a homer but I would have Gillies ahead of a few of those guys, namely Samsonov, Comrie, Husso and Fucale. You could make a case for Gillies against the others as well, but it's basically too close to call. It looks like to me Gillies is the victim of his draft status.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It looks like to me Gillies is the victim of his draft status.

Gillies was a 75th OA pick. Hellybuyck was 130th, Murray was 83rd, Saros was 99th, Husso was 94th, and McIntyre was 165th OA.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Gillies was a 75th OA pick. Hellybuyck was 130th, Murray was 83rd, Saros was 99th, Husso was 94th, and McIntyre was 165th OA.

K you got me. Still not sure what makes most of those guys better. The guys who dominated in the AHL post draft, I get. But guys just drafted or who are less proven than Gillies?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

double post

[codynw]

Fucale isn't that good.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

K you got me. Still not sure what makes most of those guys better. The guys who dominated in the AHL post draft, I get. But guys just drafted or who are less proven than Gillies?

From what I can tell, it's a goaltending magazine. They're actively scouting the strengths and weaknesses of the players. They probably know a lot more about these guys than we do. I don't think Gillies has really proven anything himself - his stats look nice but they're not all that unique at that level of play:

Rk	Name					GP	SV%
1	Alex Lyon, So, Yale			32	.939
 	Ryan Massa, Sr, Nebraska-Omaha		29	.939
3	Kyle Hayton, Fr, St. Lawrence		36	.937
4	Jayson Argue, Fr, Bentley		20	.934
5	Jamie Phillips, Jr, Michigan Tech	41	.933
6	Matt Ginn, Sr, Holy Cross		31	.931
7	Jon Gillies, Jr, Providence		39	.930
 	Terry Shafer, Jr, Robert Morris		16	.930
 	Keegan Asmundson, Sr, Canisius		26	.930
 	Jake Hildebrand, Jr, Michigan State	35	.930
11	Michael Bitzer, Fr, Bemidji State	28	.929
 	Zane McIntyre, Jr, North Dakota		42	.929
 	Rasmus Tirronen, Sr, Merrimack		31	.929

From USCHO.com

He played well in the NCAA tournament but it's not like he was flawless. He let in 3 goals against BU in the Championship game (including a big softie to open), he let in 5 goals against Miami IIRC too.

He hasn't really been great at the International level either.

[Jets4Life]

#1: HELLEBUYCK

[Strange Brew]

Kind of happy we have 2 prospects in top 15. In a 30 team league.

[Poe969]

I'm surprised oiler fans aren't complaining that McDavid isn't top of this list. I know it's a goalie list but most oiler fans just want to see McDavid at the top of every prospect list...

Having 2 in the top 15 is pretty awesome and I wonder where Ortio would land if he was eligible. It's pretty awesome having these guys coming up but man wouldn't it be great if one of them was ready to take the next step this season!

[GioforPM]

I have no idea if this is correct but I suspect that if you go back over the years these lists are pretty hit and miss. I imagine Price was highly ranked. I imagine Hasek was not. I'd bet Trevor Kidd was very highly ranked.

[Hackey]

It is nice to have options. Goalies are so difficult to predict it doesn't hurt to have a bunch of solid goalie prospects. Hopefully one of these guys is our future starter. It will be interesting to see how Treliving addresses our goaie situation in the next couple of years. Kicking tires on Talbot and Lehner made sense because both these guys likely could be decent starters for you with the possibility that they break out. If not you still have a decent tender while you buy the kids some time. Prices were high though so glad we stayed away.

[Bingo]

Interesting to see Brossoit at 29 given the fact that the Flames had to make a decision on prospect depth with that Oiler trade a few years ago. The Flames felt Brossoit was 3rd on their list behind Ortio and Gillies, and now two years later it appears he still is, plus McDonald is ahead of him.

Important as this in the kind of thing that puts organizations ahead ... making the right call when you get some beef to your prospect depth. You have to keep the right guys.

[ricardodw]

If the stories around the draft were correct the Flames management have evaluated Gillies (and Ortio) closer to the this list than CP has ranked Gillies.


Rumors had it that the Flames were interested in Talbot, Lehrner and Jones.... Not like a team totally sold on Ortio/Gillies as #1 in the next couple of years.

Interesting that McDonald is ranked about the same #12 on the CP list as the #15 on the Goalie list.

Would have CP put on the homer glasses and jumped on the McDonald bandwagon if we hadn't already said that we had 2 of our top 5 prospects were goalies.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If the stories around the draft were correct the Flames management have evaluated Gillies (and Ortio) closer to the this list than CP has ranked Gillies.


Rumors had it that the Flames were interested in Talbot, Lehrner and Jones.... Not like a team totally sold on Ortio/Gillies as #1 in the next couple of years.

Interesting that McDonald is ranked about the same #12 on the CP list as the #15 on the Goalie list.

Would have CP put on the homer glasses and jumped on the McDonald bandwagon if we hadn't already said that we had 2 of our top 5 prospects were goalies.

Gillies is at least 2 years away.

Looking for another goalie was more of a reflection of their plans for Hiller and Ramo, not their long term expectations of Ortio and Gillies.

Also, the organization literally only had 3 goalies under contract before they signed Ramo.

Even without injuries, they need 4 just to staff the two teams. 5 would be preferred.

[Robbob]

I also think all the rumors about the flames with various players (all the goalies, Richards, etc) had a lot to do with Treliving keeping tabs on the market. He is a very active GM.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If the stories around the draft were correct the Flames management have evaluated Gillies (and Ortio) closer to the this list than CP has ranked Gillies.


Rumors had it that the Flames were interested in Talbot, Lehrner and Jones.... Not like a team totally sold on Ortio/Gillies as #1 in the next couple of years.

Interesting that McDonald is ranked about the same #12 on the CP list as the #15 on the Goalie list.

Would have CP put on the homer glasses and jumped on the McDonald bandwagon if we hadn't already said that we had 2 of our top 5 prospects were goalies.

No team should be totally sold on their goalie prospects becoming legitimate number 1's. They are prospects and goalies are even harder to predict than players. If it happens great, but you need to have a back up plan

[Bingo]

Yeah I don't see a single connection between the Flames kicking tires on goaltenders and their view on the quality of their of their goaltending prospects.

When you make the playoffs ahead of schedule and have break outs from young players you have to at least look at upgrading a position that in its current term is average. The Flames goaltending was just that.

Gillies by all trends will take 3 years to be the man, guys they added this June would just fill in that gap.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by codynw

Fucale isn't that good.

I admit to not watching him play outside of national coverage but you would expect a top prospect to play his best in the big games but he wasn't very good at all in the Memorial Cup.