Comparing top 15 prospects from other Canadian teams

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Here are the HF Board top 10 prospects from each of the Canadian teams. Not sure if each team is following the same rules (no Baertschi on Vancouver prospect list?)

Calgary and Winnipeg clearly lead the way in my view. Edmonton has a strong top 5. Prospect list gets very thin on many teams after the top 5 otherwise.

I wonder how many of our 11-18 prospects would make other teams top 10 list. 11. Tyler Wotherspoon; 12. Mason McDonald; 13. Rasmus Andersson; 14. Bill Arnold; 15. Kenny Morrison; 16. Ryan Culkin; 17. Hunter Smith; 18. Kenny Agostino.

Calgary
1. Sam Bennett - 96%
2. Emile Poirier - 38%
3. Jon Gillies - 35%
4. Micheal Ferland - 44%
5. Joni Ortio - 63%
6. Mark Jankowski - 38% Run off
7. Brandon Hickey - 57% Run off
8. Markus Granlund - 47%
9. Morgan Klimchuk - 55%
10. Oliver Kylington - 43%

Winnipeg
1. Nikolaj Ehlers, RW/LW, Halifax (QMJHL) 84.8% (Petan 9.5%)
2. Connor Hellebuyck, G, St. John's (AHL) 29.1% (Petan 26.0%)
3. Josh Morrissey, D, Kelowna (WHL) Won tiebreaker (59.3% of vote)
4. Nic Petan, C/LW, Portland (WHL) Lost tiebreaker (40.7% of vote)
5. Kyle Connor, C, Youngstown (USHL) 86.6%
6. Joel Armia, RW, St. John's (AHL) 65.2%
7. Jack Roslovic, C/RW, U.S. National U18 Team (USDP) 41.5%
8. Jansen Harkins, C, Prince George (WHL) 35.0%
9. Eric Comrie, G, Tri-City (WHL) 33.9%
10. Ben Chiarot, D, Winnipeg (NHL) 51.9%

Edmonton
1) Connor McDavid - C - Erie Otters - OHL - 100%
2) Darnell Nurse - D - Soo Greyhounds - OHL - 66%
3) Leon Draisaitl - C - Kelowna Rockets - WHL - 30%*
4) Griffin Reinhart - D - Bridgeport S.Tigers - AHL - 78%
5) Bogdan Yakimov - C - OKC Barons - AHL - 38%
6) Laurent Brossoit - G - OKC Barons - AHL - 49%
7) Anton Slepyshev - LW - Salavat Yulayev - KHL - 49%
8) Greg Chase - RW - Victoria Royals - WHL - 36%
9) Joey LaLeggia - D - University of Denver - NCAA - 36%
10) Kyle Platzer - C/RW - Owen Sound Attack - OHL - 20%


Toronto
1. Mitch Marner -- 81.22%
2. William Nylander -- 97.50%
3. Kasperi Kapanen -- 51.18%
4. Connor Brown -- 80.00%
5. Stuart Percy -- 28.67%
6. Frederick Gauthier -- 29.64%
7. Andreas Johnson -- 32.43%
8. Jeremy Bracco -- 37.30 %
9. Travis Dermott -- 37.69%
10. Brendan Leipsic -- 40.74%


Montreal
1. Nikita Scherbak, RW, Everett Silvertips (75% of the vote).
2. Mike McCarron, RW/C, Oshawa Generals (72.39%).
3. Jacob De La Rose, C, Montreal Canadiens (35.77%).
4. Charles Hudon, C/LW, Hamilton Bulldogs (43.06%)
5. Noah Juulsen, D, Everett Silvertips. (53.42%)
6. Jarred Tinordi, D, Hamilton Bulldogs. (62.50%)
7. Sven Andrighetto, RW, Hamilton Bulldogs (29.37%)
8. Zachary Fucale, G, Quebec Remparts. (41.94%)
9. Martin Reway, LW, HC Sparta Praha (41.78%)
10. Artturi Lehkonen, LW, Frolunda (34.01%)


Ottawa
1. Matt Puempel LW 6'00'' CAN (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 36.36%
2. Nick Paul LW 6'03'' CAN (North Bay Battalion, OHL) 53.57%
3. Thomas Chabot D 6'02'' CAN (Saint John Sea Dogs, QMJHL) 40.91%
4. Shane Prince LW 5'11'' USA (Binghamton Senators, AHL) 41.74%
5. Colin White C 6'00'' USA (U.S. National Under-18 Team, USHL) 66.09%
6. Matt O'Connor G 6'06'' CAN (Boston University, H-East) 61.00%
7. Mikael Wikstrand D 6'00'' SWE (Frolunda, SHL) 31.33%
8. Gabriel Gagne RW 6'05'' CAN (Victoriaville Tigres, QMJHL) 32.74%
9. Tobias Lindberg RW 6'03'' SWE (Oshawa Generals, OHL) 45.00%
10. Filip Chlapik C 6'01'' CZE (Charlottetown Islanders, QMJHL) 65.79%

Vancouver
1 Jake Virtanen RW 2 (↑1) 80.00%
2 Jared McCann C 6 (↑4) 68.21%
3 Brock Boeser RW Not Ranked 57.14%
4 Thatcher Demko G 10 (↑6) 48.87%
5 Cole Cassels C 12 (↑7) 51.45%
6 Hunter Shinkaruk LW 3 (↓3) 58.67%
7 Brendan Gaunce C/W 5 (↓2) 34.59%
8 Ronalds Kenins LW 17 (↑9) 38.96%
9 Frank Corrado D 7 (↓2) 53.59%
10 Adam Clendening D Not Ranked 26.06%

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Made it a top 10 from each team rather than top 15. Ottawa board is ranking number 11 today.

[Captaincanada80]

Calgary - Depth for days, Not bad on the high end skill. Although lots of recent graduates, pool is still deep at all positions except RW.

Winnipeg - Best Prospects in the entire NHL. There high end potential goes till #6 or 7. Not to mention a young stable core already in place. Will be good for many many years to come.

Edmonton - Is no good outside of McDavid. Top 4 Heavy & then a bunch of no names

Toronto - Were in terrible shape as early as last year, Improving but has a long long way to go.

Montreal - Surprising doesn't look to bad.

Ottawa - No top end prospects but good depth. Much like Winnipeg and Calgary prospects have been depleted due to graduation.

Vancouver - Much like Toronto, Significant improvement over a year from internal progression. Extremely strong on Wing but don't Have the pieces where is matters, Centre

Ranks
Winnipeg
Calgary
Ottawa
Edmonton
Toronto
Vancouver
Montreal

[Enoch Root]

Edmonton's is good at the top but thins out quickly

Vancouver's is really thin, but interesting to see that they're finally starting to cool on Shinkaruk

Winnipeg's is good but I still prefer Calgary's to any of them.

The big difference though, would come in the next 10 (11-20 group). Many of those lists are really tailing off at 8-10 whereas the Flames' list keeps going.

Our strength isn't at the top end (especially with Gaudreau graduating - him and Bennett would be a nice 1-2), it's in the depth.

It's really two things:

1) a solid young core of Monahan, Gaudreau, Bennett, Brodie, and Hamilton
2) lots and lots of solid depth behind that

[Lanny_McDonald]

I'll gauge this by who I would really want to add to our pool from each system to decide who has the best group.

Winnipeg
1. Nikolaj Ehlers, RW/LW, Halifax (QMJHL) 84.8% (Petan 9.5%)
2. Connor Hellebuyck, G, St. John's (AHL) 29.1% (Petan 26.0%)
3. Josh Morrissey, D, Kelowna (WHL) Won tiebreaker (59.3% of vote)
4. Nic Petan, C/LW, Portland (WHL) Lost tiebreaker (40.7% of vote)
5. Kyle Connor, C, Youngstown (USHL) 86.6%
6. Joel Armia, RW, St. John's (AHL) 65.2%

Edmonton
1) Connor McDavid - C - Erie Otters - OHL - 100%
2) Darnell Nurse - D - Soo Greyhounds - OHL - 66%

Toronto
1. Mitch Marner -- 81.22%
2. William Nylander -- 97.50%

Vancouver
3 Brock Boeser RW Not Ranked 57.14%

Montreal and Ottawa
None.

I think Winnipeg is the envy of the league for prospects. I think the Flames are the in the top five. Edmonton ranks highly only because of McJesus. Take him away and they have one of the worst, if not the worst, collection of prospects in the league.

[Enoch Root]

Armia is comparable to Baertschi right now

Petan is talented but very small - he'll probably have to be converted to wing. I would rather have Poirier.

Not sure about Morrissey yet - good skater but he isn't big and he seems timid to me. We'll see what kind of NHLer he can become. Hickey is gaining on him rapidly.

Hellebuyck - excellent prospect. I'll take the combination of Gillies, Ortio and MacDonald though (the more prospects the better when it comes to goalies)

Ehlers has all the talent in the world. But Ill take Bennett, thank you very much. I put a lot of stock in grit and character - especially when it is combined with high-end talent.

Beyond these guys, Calgary's depth is much better.

[Da_Chief]

Jets are easily ahead of everyone.

McDavid then pushes Oilers to number 2.

Flames come in at 3.

Leafs have some top talent, depth is really unknown. Give em 4.

Habs always draft well, guys are unknown but give them #5.

Sens are good drafting team too but not a fan of many of those guys.

Canucks come in last, besides McCann/Boeser none of those guys will be impact players.Terrible team.

[Mike F]

I know nothing about most of the prospects on other teams outside of some vague name recognition, but am not going to let that stop me from declaring Calgary the best.

[Oil Stain]

Quality, not depth is the most important aspect of a prospect pool. The majority of these guys aren't going to pan out as hoped/expected.

Would any NHL GM trade Connor McDavid for any of the other team's entire top ten list?

Only Winnipeg would make me think.


Chicago is widely touted as having great success bringing young players through. Their pool from 2011 was ranked 5th in the NHL by Hockey Prospectus in 2011.

1. Marcus Kruger, Center
2. Jeremy Morin, Left Wing
3. Mark McNeill, Center
4. Brandon Pirri, Center
5. Kyle Beach, Left Wing
6. Shawn Lalonde, Defense
7. Jimmy Hayes, Right Wing
8. Dylan Olsen, Defense
9. Brandon Saad, Left Wing
10. Kevin Hayes, Left Wing


Would you trade McDavid for Saad, Pirri, Hayes brothers and Kruger?

Edmonton also has another couple of blue chip prospects in addition to McDavid. Winnipeg looks to have a handful of bluechippers as well. Toronto and Calgary both have some quality at the top. The other teams don't seem to have any sure thing prospects in their systems.

1.Edmonton
2.Winnipeg
3.Toronto/Calgary
4.Montreal/Ottawa/Vancouver

[Da_Chief]

^Would you have Lindros or the return the Nords/Avs got?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Quality, not depth is the most important aspect of a prospect pool. The majority of these guys aren't going to pan out as hoped/expected.

Would any NHL GM trade Connor McDavid for any of the other team's entire top ten list?

Only Winnipeg would make me think.


Chicago is widely touted as having great success bringing young players through. Their pool from 2011 was ranked 5th in the NHL by Hockey Prospectus in 2011.

1. Marcus Kruger, Center
2. Jeremy Morin, Left Wing
3. Mark McNeill, Center
4. Brandon Pirri, Center
5. Kyle Beach, Left Wing
6. Shawn Lalonde, Defense
7. Jimmy Hayes, Right Wing
8. Dylan Olsen, Defense
9. Brandon Saad, Left Wing
10. Kevin Hayes, Left Wing


Would you trade McDavid for Saad, Pirri, Hayes brothers and Kruger?

Edmonton also has another couple of blue chip prospects in addition to McDavid. Winnipeg looks to have a handful of bluechippers as well. Toronto and Calgary both have some quality at the top. The other teams don't seem to have any sure thing prospects in their systems.

1.Edmonton
2.Winnipeg
3.Toronto/Calgary
4.Montreal/Ottawa/Vancouver

What a classic Oiler response.

"Half the teams in the league would trade their [prospect pool] for ours right now"

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Quality, not depth is the most important aspect of a prospect pool. The majority of these guys aren't going to pan out as hoped/expected.

Would any NHL GM trade Connor McDavid for any of the other team's entire top ten list?

Only Winnipeg would make me think.


Chicago is widely touted as having great success bringing young players through. Their pool from 2011 was ranked 5th in the NHL by Hockey Prospectus in 2011.

1. Marcus Kruger, Center
2. Jeremy Morin, Left Wing
3. Mark McNeill, Center
4. Brandon Pirri, Center
5. Kyle Beach, Left Wing
6. Shawn Lalonde, Defense
7. Jimmy Hayes, Right Wing
8. Dylan Olsen, Defense
9. Brandon Saad, Left Wing
10. Kevin Hayes, Left Wing


Would you trade McDavid for Saad, Pirri, Hayes brothers and Kruger?

Edmonton also has another couple of blue chip prospects in addition to McDavid. Winnipeg looks to have a handful of bluechippers as well. Toronto and Calgary both have some quality at the top. The other teams don't seem to have any sure thing prospects in their systems.

1.Edmonton
2.Winnipeg
3.Toronto/Calgary
4.Montreal/Ottawa/Vancouver

MacT, is that you??

That sounds eerily similar to the oilers drafting philosophy over the past several years - "what's a "depth"? And who needs 2nd round and higher picks to pan out when we can haz all the first overall picks?"

[Street Pharmacist]

I would trade all of our prospects for McDavid. That's still kinda of a dumb response

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

^Would you have Lindros or the return the Nords/Avs got?

The Lindros trade was for a mixture of veteran players and prospects. Not really comparable.

Even then, it tilts in Philly's favour if Forsberg didn't turn into a superstar.

I think its unlikely that there is a Forsberg waiting in the wings in one of the other Canadian team's prospect pools. Possible? Sure. Likely. No.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

The Lindros trade was for a mixture of veteran players and prospects. Not really comparable.

Even then, it tilts in Philly's favour if Forsberg didn't turn into a superstar.

I think its unlikely that there is a Forsberg waiting in the wings in one of the other Canadian team's prospect pools. Possible? Sure. Likely. No.

There's your problem right there.

You correctly noted that not all prospects make it.

But the flip side of that is that you never know who will. And that is why more bullets in the chamber is better.

Why are the Flames better than the Oilers (well, one of the reasons)?:

Brodie - 4th round pick
Gaudreau - 4th round pick
Giordano - undrafted
Ferland - 5th round pick
Ortio - 6th round pick
Bouma - 3rd round pick
Jooris - undrafted

and for prospects...

Kylington - 2nd round pick
Hickey - 3rd round pick
Gillies - 3rd round pick
Rafikov - 7th round pick

Andersson, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Smith, MacDonald, all 2nd round picks

But no worries, McDavid can beat them all by himself

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There's your problem right there.

You correctly noted that not all prospects make it.

But the flip side of that is that you never know who will. And that is why more bullets in the chamber is better.

Why are the Flames better than the Oilers (well, one of the reasons)?:

Brodie - 4th round pick
Gaudreau - 4th round pick
Giordano - undrafted
Ferland - 5th round pick
Ortio - 6th round pick
Bouma - 3rd round pick
Jooris - undrafted

and for prospects...

Kylington - 2nd round pick
Hickey - 3rd round pick
Gillies - 3rd round pick
Rafikov - 7th round pick

Andersson, Granlund, Wotherspoon, Smith, MacDonald, all 2nd round picks

But no worries, McDavid can beat them all by himself

Brodie, Gaudreau, and Giordano are the only impact NHL players on that list and none of them would have been on the Flames top ten prospect list at the same time so I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

it tilts in Philly's favour if Forsberg didn't turn into a superstar.

If my aunt had a D*** she'd be my uncle...

[oldschoolcalgary]

considering the Oilers picked first overall in 4 of the 6 years, and in the lottery the other 2, their prospect list isn't fantastic... good? sure, but winning the draft lottery 4 times gives you the best draft position throughout those respective drafts... certainly wouldn't be crowing about it.

Winnipeg on the other hand, has a great group of prospects, full marks to their organization.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Brodie, Gaudreau, and Giordano are the only impact NHL players on that list and none of them would have been on the Flames top ten prospect list at the same time so I'm not sure what that has to do with this discussion.

Wow. Pretty straight-forward point.

More prospects results in more players. It's a team game, and a 23 man roster.

The point was that the Flames have a much better roster than the Oilers because they have developed several solid NHLers form later round picks (not just 1st round picks).

The extrapolation (this is the point) is that, because the Flames have a ton of solid prospects now, due to good drafting, and the Oilers don't, we can probably expect that the Flames will continue to develop more solid NHLers.

And that is why their prospect pool is better.

But again, the Oilers will have McDavid, so nothing else will matter.

[Enoch Root]

Also, Ferland and Bouma are just the kind of players the Oilers desperately need.

And I would imagine they could use some defensemen and goaltenders as well.

But hey, they're not 1st overall pedigree, so I guess they are irrelevant