[Signing] Bill Arnold and Bryce Van Brabant Re-Sign

[Caged Great]

More details to come.

Edit -

Arnold - 2 way contract worth 824K
BVB - 2 way contract worth 874K

Both signed their qualifying offers.

Renaud Levoie tweeted this out.

[dying4acup]

I expected more to have signed QOs. TRELIVING has some work to do.

[Finger Cookin]

So are these just for one season? Two? Longer?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

So are these just for one season? Two? Longer?

I'd assume 1 year deals. There is no info beyond what I posted at the moment unfortunately.

[Street Pharmacist]

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[Trojan97]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

More details to come.

Edit -

Arnold - 2 way contract worth 824K
BVB - 2 way contract worth 874K

Both signed their qualifying offers.

Renaud Levoie tweeted this out.

I've always wondered this and never asked, perhaps someone here knows. In signings of this nature, why does someone like Bill Arnold make less on his 2way than BVB? Arnold is the more highly rated prospect and I would argue probably means "more" to the franchise having been drafted and brought alone all these years while BVB was a more recent free agent signing. It just seems so random to have one potentially making 50k more than the other when neither have proven anything yet. I see it all the time where a handful of prospects/young players in similar career situations/talent sign and they are generally for differing amounts. Why would unknowns like this not all have the same/similar qualifying offers. Is it just the work of their agent negotiating better deals or what?

Thanks in advance.

[Caged Great]

It was due to what they were offered back when they were initially offered a contract in the first place. Because BVB was a UFA NCAA player, the Flames had to offer him a little more than the minimum in order to get him to sign and then it's been a 10% raise. Arnold was signed for the minimum if I recall, and that's the difference.

When you factor the adjusted rates for the AHL, the difference is probably 4-5 thousand.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Trojan97

I've always wondered this and never asked, perhaps someone here knows. In signings of this nature, why does someone like Bill Arnold make less on his 2way than BVB? Arnold is the more highly rated prospect and I would argue probably means "more" to the franchise having been drafted and brought alone all these years while BVB was a more recent free agent signing. It just seems so random to have one potentially making 50k more than the other when neither have proven anything yet. I see it all the time where a handful of prospects/young players in similar career situations/talent sign and they are generally for differing amounts. Why would unknowns like this not all have the same/similar qualifying offers. Is it just the work of their agent negotiating better deals or what?

Thanks in advance.

Without looking any of this up, I would assume bvb's offer was higher because he signed for more on his elc due to being a free agent rather than a drafted prospect like Arnold. Since his initial elc was higher, the minimum raise on his qualifying offer was higher.

I may be out to lunch on this one though.

[K1LLswitch]

Edit: I liked Caged's answer better

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It was due to what they were offered back when they were initially offered a contract in the first place. Because BVB was a UFA NCAA player, the Flames had to offer him a little more than the minimum in order to get him to sign and then it's been a 10% raise. Arnold was signed for the minimum if I recall, and that's the difference.

When you factor the adjusted rates for the AHL, the difference is probably 4-5 thousand.

BVB and Arnold are only getting 5% raises. Under 660k gets 10%, anything 1 million or over gets no raise ans everything in between gets 5%

[getbak]

On his ELC, Arnold was signed for the maximum allowed for a player drafted in 2010, which was $900,000 in total NHL compensation. 2010 was the last draft class that had a limit of $900,000. All subsequent draft classes have a maximum of $925,000.

Of his $900,000, 10% was in the form of a signing bonus, and he apparently also had $25,000 in performance bonuses on his contract last season. Bonuses aren't included when determining the player's Qualifying Offer, so his base salary was $900,000 less $90,000 for the signing bonus and $25,000 for the performance bonus, or $785,000. Because that number is above $660,000 but below $1 million, he required a Qualifying Offer equal to 105% of his base salary for last season, which is $824,250.


Van Brabant was a UFA coming out of College, so his maximum compensation was equal to the maximum for players drafted in 2013, which was $925,000. He also had a 10% signing bonus of $92,500. That made his 105% Qualifying Offer equal $874,125.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

So are these just for one season? Two? Longer?

Qualifying Offers are always one-year deals. The desire for a longer term is one reason that players don't often sign their QOs.

However, in Arnold and BVB's cases, because they were late-season signings out of College, they didn't play in enough games in their first season for it to count towards eligibility to receive Offer Sheets from other teams or to be eligible for salary arbitration. Because they don't have those options available to them, they really have no leverage in negotiations this year, so it makes sense to take a one-year deal and wait to have those things available to them next year.


Agostino is also in the same situation, but so far he hasn't accepted his QO (he has until 3:00pm MT on Wednesday to do so).

One guy I thought might accept his QO is Wolf. I guess we'll see in a few hours.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by getbak

One guy I thought might accept his QO is Wolf. I guess we'll see in a few hours.

I figured Wolf might wait a while. He'd be more likely to field offers from the Euro leagues.

I hope he does come back... I think he offers more functional toughness (AKA all the propensity towards facepunching + more actual hockey skill) then Bollig. Plus he was the Baby Flames leading scorer last year so I imagine they'd like him back if nothing else.

[sa226]

I really wish they would let Van Brabrant go.

Mainly because every time I see his name I start singing in my head "Hey Black Betty Van Brabrant"