Some guidance re. ratings

[JiriHrdina]

Just going to provide some context here. I've seen and heard GMs talk about how their player should have a rating just as good or better, based on the fact they had an NHL season just as good or better this season compared to last.

This is not always going to be true.

Remember, the change we are making this season is to put way more focus on the most recent NHL season. In the past, the past NHL season was the most important but we also gave consideration to the 3 year performance.

So if you had a player that had
- A great season in 2012
- A good season in 2013
- An OK season in 2014

They would have received a pretty good rating on the strength of 3 year performance, even as production was dipping.

Now let's say that player has another OK season in 2015 - same as 2014.

They may see a ratings drop because their best season was now 4 seasons ago, and we are providing less weighting to the 3 year performance overall.

All of this is just to say - that it isn't the case that if a player's production was the same as last season - that it guarantees that their rating will be just as good - not if that rating had been given because of seasons before.

Make sense?

[fundamentals]

is there an expected timeframe for the ratings? I'm a little hesitant to do anything in case I get burned when the ratings are done.

[Caged Great]

If a player had a pair of 60 point season in 2012 and 2013, then back to back 30 point seasons the last two years it would make a ton of sense that they'd have a drop back in the rankings.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by fundamentals

is there an expected timeframe for the ratings? I'm a little hesitant to do anything in case I get burned when the ratings are done.

Post draft probably early July

[Swayze11]

I think a gray area in re-rates is injuries... can you explain that a bit better for the new guys Grant?

[Hanna Sniper]

A GM's Guide to Re-rates

Lower your expectations - Your team isn't going to be reshaped by the release of the re-rate numbers... it's never happened and your team isn't special enough that you will be the exception. Like most things in life, you don't get instant gratification...If it's not what you expect look at it as a bridge to the rating he will have next season

Cherry Picking - So Bill Pylon didn't get his OV boost you were hoping for, that really sucks because of X, Y, Z reasons... but while looking over your team you notice that a few other players got a little more favourable rating (or well deserving)... Understand that there is going to be guys that fall on each side of the fence and only focusing on the players that you thing should be better while over-looking those that did better then you thought

Helicopter Parenting - It's really cool that you child got a participation sticker in class today but no one gives a ####... Don't over-rate your players because they are your darlings, just because you think Tavares should have a closet full of hardware doesn't mean that everyone is disrespecting your little superstar. Once you get your rating for your player and it's not up to your expectations... then find a couple similar comparable... fair honest comparable and how does your rating fair with those. If they are inline with those players then there isn't an issue. Once again don't cherry pick but find honest player comparable's

Don't out smart yourself - I'm going to go out and trade for all the guys you think should get great FO boost in re-rates so that once the new numbers are out you will have a great face off team.... If you are going to take the gamble that numbers are going to roll out on way or another it's nobody fault but your own when you guess wrong

There's going to be mistakes - Nobody is perfect, you can't have 500 guys getting numbers and all of them be perfect. That 7th defenceam on your team that you think should have a 2ov better rating then he does is not an outrage.... if thats the problem then the ratings a perfect bacuse the day a 7th deferencemans rating is your biggest grip then you really don't have one

If it sound like I'm preparing you for a hit, it's because I am... that way your not disappointing yourself and maybe you're see maybe the numbers are a lot more fair when we focus less on our own team

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I think a gray area in re-rates is injuries... can you explain that a bit better for the new guys Grant?

Good question and accurately described as a gray area. However, our approach has been to not punish a player severely for injuries. They typically take a hit to their durability rating more than anything. If a player has had more than 1 recent season that was injury filled, then they are more likely to get a severe downgrade - but if it is just a single injury riddled season, they shouldn't get hammered.

[Swayze11]

Also what happens if you own a player that is going to jail? *cough*Voynov*cough*

[Slava]

Is there any "limit" that players will tend to move? For example in years past ratings were usually sort of capped (like a soft cap, and maybe it was never really stated) at around 3 points. Like if a player was rated 65 you wouldn't see swings of 5 points often, if ever. Is there anything like that or a sort of rule of thumb at all, or am I just plain out to lunch? (its been known to happen!)

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Also what happens if you own a player that is going to jail? *cough*Voynov*cough*

Retired. I mean he's not playing....

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Slava

Is there any "limit" that players will tend to move? For example in years past ratings were usually sort of capped (like a soft cap, and maybe it was never really stated) at around 3 points. Like if a player was rated 65 you wouldn't see swings of 5 points often, if ever. Is there anything like that or a sort of rule of thumb at all, or am I just plain out to lunch? (its been known to happen!)

We've never had a hard cap or anything.

[TurdFerguson]

What is the impact on voinov going to be (aside from reduced discipline and improved fighting ratings). Trying to think of a comparable in the past but I cant.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

What is the impact on voinov going to be (aside from reduced discipline and improved fighting ratings). Trying to think of a comparable in the past but I cant.

Joni PItkanen who played 30 games that season, which is still a lot more then voinov but when his rating came back he was still a quilty enough D man for me. I forget the ratings but I have no problem with his 7+M cap hit. the problem was he followed it up with another 22 ga,me season and then I seen about a 8 or 9 ov hit... but i don't remember a big problem with the first season

[JiriHrdina]

Voinov is such a unique situation that at this point I don't have an answer

[Knut]

We do know his DIscipline rating should take a hit

[EldrickOnIce]

So if I understand this correctly, what you are telling me is:
When Roman Josi does not get the ratings bump he 'deserves' (in line with the top 10 NHL defenseman that he is), that I should not cry about this???

Ok - good to know. I'll try...