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Old 05-07-2015, 05:38 PM   #1
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So I am a sports geek sometimes and I decided to read the NFL's report on the "Deflategate" of the Patriots footballs. 243 pages of some interesting stuff.

In any event there was a scenario in the report that isn't getting much attention in the sports world and I think it should.

The Patriots locker room attendant who is at the center of the issue and in charge of Tom Brady's footballs claims that he has the original football that Tom Brady used to hit the 50 000 yard mark. He got Brady to sign it and write "50 000 yards" and he got to keep it for himself.

He was messaging back and forth with another Patriots employee and was laughing because the Patriots claimed to have the ball in their Hall of Fame and were potentially going to auction it off for charity. His exact quote "If only people knew"

The report ends up getting into detail of this being the actual ball or not but it does call into question merchandise that pro sports teams sell. If all we have to go on is the teams word than who knows? Game used sticks, jerseys, soccer balls, autographs, footballs or whatever are big business for everyone involved.

This reminds me of the gloves and stick used by Crosby for the "Golden Goal" in Vancouver 2010. After the equipment went missing after the game it was reported several days later that an error led to the equipment being in another country's dressing room. Long story short the equipment was returned and is on display in Toronto at the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Now did someone end up paying some big dough for the return of the equipment from somewhere but the excuse was used not to set precedent for future cash deals?? Is the equipment at the HOF really the set?

I am by no means a conspiracy guy at all but when the NFL report cant confirm if a 50 000 yard ball is authentic or not I question the business of selling merchandise to fans who pay big money.

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Old 05-07-2015, 05:54 PM   #2
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Back when I was going to school I used to work at games at the FanAttic. I remember shortly after the Fleury trade the store was displaying Fleury's last game worn jersey as a Flame (black horsehead BTW). I believe it had a price tag of $7999.

Anyone who's been in a FanAttic during intermission knows how packed it gets in there. Someone simply managed to slip away with it in the first intermission completely undetected. I remember our managers standing at the doors frantically stopping anyone wearing a black 14 jersey to see if it was the stolen one. We didn't find it that night.

It would have been difficult to sell as word got out it was stolen, I wonder if it's just sitting in someone's private collection? Or maybe the Flames recovered it somehow.
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Old 05-07-2015, 06:53 PM   #3
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I used to collect and then work in the sport memorabilia business. I was never on an official team level for anything, but local stores in malls and the likes I would sell items to either on consignment or straight cash.

What I could have done til this day boggles my mind. You have to understand, most athletes know who the real fans are and who the sellers are. It's not the easiest thing and can take hours or even days to get a single item signed by a player, sometimes certain guys simply did not sign. Game-used items were tricky to get but you would be shocked at what you will get by just asking nicely. Point being, it's a long grueling process and I knew of MANY people who would simply skip the trouble and sell a fraudulent item.

Balls, pucks, minor league bats, cleats and things of that nature are tough to tell what is legit and not. Most don't have pro labels that identify them as on ice apparel, unlike jerseys or major league bats that have a specific tag you can't buy in stores or the players name and team engraved on it in the case of the bat.

Selling items on the "black market", if you wanna call it that, is quite easy. I knew a guy who stole a seat from Yankees stadiums last game. It made some paper in NY and was a big deal locally there. He sold it within a week for a hefty tag, and later I heard that guy moved it for even more money to somebody overseas. So you can only imagine if it's easy to sell and trade items that are "illegal" technically, how super easy it is to sell fake items.

Considering John Doe down the street can forge a name or 2 on a ball and sell it as legit for $50-100, you could only imagine a huge corporation or team wouldn't think twice about doing the same. They assume less risk (less likely to get caught as they are the valued source authenticating it) and total profit (guy on street will sell cheaper than normal item would sell for to ensure movement of fake item, pro team/corp wouldn't need to do so because of their reputation).

It's a strange and crazy market, the authentication process is a total joke that literally is as scientific as an "expert", aka former autograph seller, looking at the item, comparing it to a photo of another item "believed to be legit" and then saying yes or no if that item is authentic. That's it. No DNA samples, no hand writing experts... just a guy, his photo album and his mind. I have seen COUNTLESS items be authenticated that I watched another guy personally forge 10 minutes prior in his car. They have big events that charge people money for an athletes autograph, followed by a PSA/DNA (one of the leading authentication firms in the world) certification after for around $5 more per item. It was common knowledge in the autograph industry and quick and easy way to get a legit cert with zero risk was to pay for 1 item to be signed, but bring items forged in a bag. The certification booth is usually a distance away from the actual signing, and it was simply to pass off the forged items with the 1 legit and get authentication on the spot for $5 an item.

It was things like this that got me out of it, that and you can only get blown off long enough before you realize it's time to stop. I would HIGHLY suggest if you ever purchase a autograph or game-used item from anywhere you do a lot of research before dropping the type of money some of these items go for. No matter how safe you feel, realize half the items you see even on MLB/NHL/NFL/NBA auctions are sold to that company by some kid camping out at a teams hotel or practice. Nothing is a sure bet, unless you get it signed or given to you yourself by the player himself. Don't be afraid to ask, the equipment is free to them and just like any human being, they want that satisfaction of making someone else happy normally. Giving away something that cost them nothing and will mean everything to that person isn't something a player usually says no to.
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Old 05-08-2015, 06:13 AM   #4
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Yea TSN & W5 did a show about this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-p3rvzlDjI
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It's stories like these, and also the TSN/W5 show, that make me glad I don't collect autographed items. The most alarming for me was the organized scam they ran with the art student copying signatures, and then some well-known memorabilia businesses were authenticating them. It's one thing to buy something fraudulent on ebay or Kijiji, but you expect (and rightfully so) better levels of service when it comes to these dealers. I see autographed jerseys all the time on Kijiji and always hope that nobody pays for these items. Most recently, some guy trying to sell an 'autographed' chinese Gaudreau jersey for $800. And they all say they come with certificates of authenticity which unfortunately fools people, anyone can make up a document in Word saying a certain item is legitimate.
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