03-13-2015, 09:28 AM
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Calgary Flames credit comeback success to fitness level
Don't look now, but the secret is out.
Well written article by Aaron Vickers
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads
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"There's no doubt in my mind they have full confidence in their physical abilities coming late into games, into overtime. They're not afraid to overexert themselves because they know they can recover."
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Hartley gives credit to van Asten, who was with the Los Angeles Kings for Stanley Cup championships in 2012 and 2014, and with the Canada women's team for a gold medal won at the 2010 Vancouver Olympics.
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"Huge. Huge. This guy is a magician," Hartley said. "This guy is so good. Great communicator, always ready, has lots of new ways to train, new methods. Guys are very excited with this. He's been a huge addition. It's his personality also. It's who's in the shoes that make the call. He's a great one."
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03-13-2015, 09:36 AM
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Scoring Winger
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I remember reading an article earlier in the year about van Asten (I cant find it now) and it was to the same effect.
Plus we basically got this guy because his wife is a doctor and works in Calgary.
Just shows that all parts of the organization are important, and not just the management and players. It takes a small army of people to perform in the NHL.
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03-13-2015, 09:39 AM
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Didn't the 04 Flames also credit their success to an increased emphasis on conditioning?
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03-13-2015, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by corporatejay
Didn't the 04 Flames also credit their success to an increased emphasis on conditioning?
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When half your games are won 1-0 or 2-1, you've got to credit your success to the Goalie I'm thinking. And they lost the canucks game that went triple overtime so obviously not conditioned well enough 
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03-13-2015, 10:35 AM
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If true, and not sure that it is, what seems like a minor move by Treliving (or maybe it was Hartley) to go in a different direction with head trainer might actually have been bigger than it seemed.
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03-13-2015, 10:52 AM
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Fitness level doesn't matter, only shots directed towards opponents net do.
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03-13-2015, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RyZ
Fitness level doesn't matter, only shots directed towards opponents net do.
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Yeah, but our chin-up attemtps are also through the roof, so it's probably a bit of both.
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03-13-2015, 12:08 PM
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so is this a new metric to consider along with corsi and fenwick?
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03-13-2015, 12:12 PM
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I thought hasketh was supposed to be great at conditioning too.
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03-13-2015, 12:21 PM
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I'm sure he's a big reason Bennett looks like he hasn't missed a step in Kingston
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03-13-2015, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RyZ
Fitness level doesn't matter, only shots directed towards opponents net do.
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Could not agree more.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Oiler...#__federated=1
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03-13-2015, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
I thought hasketh was supposed to be great at conditioning too.
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Considering past Flames teams penchant for collapsing late in games and fading completely in the latter part of the season I don't know how great he could have been
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03-13-2015, 12:40 PM
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Shooting percentage for those guys up because of the sick set ups they keep getting from JH!
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03-13-2015, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gaudfather
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I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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03-13-2015, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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I'll start. Because there are only 15 games left in the season and window for statistical anomalies has kind of passed.
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03-13-2015, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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Two words - high hockey IQ.
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03-13-2015, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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Sean Monahan:
13/14: 15.6%
14/15: 16.7%
Jiri Hudler:
08/09: 14.8%
09/10: KHL
10/11: 9.5%
11/12: 19.7%
12/13: 17.9
13/14: 15.6%
14/15: 18.8%
It's sustainable because it IS sustainable.
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03-13-2015, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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Reasoning:
Using a generalized "reversion to the mean" theory (which I'm assuming you're alluding to re: shooting %) doesn't work if the mean is persistently high. And the mean should be defined as that player's mean, not the league mean. I don't believe that every player in the league will revert to the league average in shooting percentage. Some guys take a lot of low quality shots and barely score (think of Bollig's snap shots from the blue line  ), some guys take fewer high quality shots and score a lot.
Much more useful (as poster looks at above) to compare a player's shooting percentage to his career/previous seasons shooting percentage. If Hudler was scoring on 25% of his shots, I'd agree that he's scoring on more shots than he has in the past and in all likelihood it wouldn't be sustainable.
Though it's really easy to say "look at those unsustainable percentages wow!"
For example, take Alex Ovechkin's career shooting percentages since 2009:
2009: 13.6
League: 9.1
2010: 8.7
League: 9.0
2011: 12.5
League: 8.9
2012: 14.6
League: 9.1
2013: 13.2
League: 8.9
2014: 13.6
League: 9.0
Another example is Ryan Getzlaf's 11/12 season. Too lazy to type it out but very similar to above.
Good players consistently have better shooting percentages than the league average. Would you say that Ovie or Getzlaf;s percentages are unsustainable? The one outlier is in 2010 when his average was considerably lower than his career averages. To me that is unsustainable.
Now I'm not comparing our guys to those super stars. I'm just using them as an example of guys with persistently high shooting percentages.
Also, position should be a factor. The league average is dragged WAY down by defensemen, who have far lower shooting percentages. Maybe take a look at the average for forwards?
http://www.sportingcharts.com/articl...n-the-nhl.aspx
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03-13-2015, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg
I'm curious to see some people's reasoning as to why these type of percentages are sustainable.
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