[CP Story] Cammalleri & Flames Talk Contract

[Bingo]

http://www.calgarypuck.com/2014/02/b...tension-talks/

[Vulcan]

If they keep Cammallari, I think they deal Stempniuk. I don't see a place for him on a healthy team. Of course people say Hudler is a hot commodity too. It should be interesting.

[Red Slinger]

That writeup has helped me to appreciate why the Flames would want to keep Cammalleri rather than trade him for future assets. But why would Cammalleri want to re-sign with the Flames? He strikes me as far too competitive to be okay to be stuck on a losing team for the next 3 years.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If they keep Cammallari, I think they deal Stempniuk. I don't see a place for him on a healthy team. Of course people say Hudler is a hot commodity too. It should be interesting.

I wonder if he left the team for personal reasons to help bring Yanukovych down and foment change in Ukraine.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

That writeup has helped me to appreciate why the Flames would want to keep Cammalleri rather than trade him for future assets. But why would Cammalleri want to re-sign with the Flames? He strikes me as far too competitive to be okay to be stuck on a losing team for the next 3 years.

Ya, I can't see Cammy wanting to sign again and I don't blame him in the slightest. He's nearing the end of his prime and can probably cash in as a UFA while being able to pick his destination. By the time the Flames are competitive he will be getting near the end of his career. Great guy but I think he gets traded.

[Tyler]

Flames are in deep salary cap floor trouble next season and need to overpay him or a FA big time.

I'm predicting they offer him a one year, 7 million dollar deal and agree to trade him at the deadline NEXT year. He gets a big one year pay day, and the Flames meet the floor and can afford to bring in a bunch of entry level rookies like Poirier and Gaudreau next year.

[Dion]

Cammi is a fitness freak and would be a great role model for our younger players when it comes to conditioning. This team needs some good role models going forward and I think Cammi is the one we need to resign.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

That writeup has helped me to appreciate why the Flames would want to keep Cammalleri rather than trade him for future assets. But why would Cammalleri want to re-sign with the Flames? He strikes me as far too competitive to be okay to be stuck on a losing team for the next 3 years.

On the surface I agree with you completely, and if I was to bet I'd say the Cammalleri camp is entertaining the offer because they don't want to look like they're brushing Calgary off completely.

Look at it for a while, then reject it.

However there are other factors above winning.

The Flames may pay more to achieve the floor for the next few years with a commodity that they know is helpful for development.

The guy has a family and may love Calgary as a place to raise his kids.

He may believe the Flames are on to something. Russel's stock went way up and he resigned despite hearing rumours that he was in demand at the deadline. Stajan is Stajan I know, but the guy would still have interest on the UFA line in July and his agent would know it.

The veteran group in Calgary seems to be very optimistic going forward, which is interesting.

[the_only_turek_fan]

I would love to see Mike Cammalleri stay. BUT......if he is re-signed, that would mean 3 players at 5'9", 6'1", and 5'10" being re-signed instead of the big, tough, truculant players Burke has been going on and on about since he was hired in September.

Furthermore, it would show (in my opinion at least), that he is power hungry and wanted to be POHO/GM regardless of Feaster's ability/inability. I am saying this, because he is bringing back most of Feaster's team.

My point in all of this is that Burke is going to look like all talk if this signing is made.
3 smallish players instead of the big and strong he promised.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

On the surface I agree with you completely, and if I was to bet I'd say the Cammalleri camp is entertaining the offer because they don't want to look like they're brushing Calgary off completely.

Look at it for a while, then reject it.

However there are other factors above winning.

The Flames may pay more to achieve the floor for the next few years with a commodity that they know is helpful for development.

The guy has a family and may love Calgary as a place to raise his kids.

He may believe the Flames are on to something. Russel's stock went way up and he resigned despite hearing rumours that he was in demand at the deadline. Stajan is Stajan I know, but the guy would still have interest on the UFA line in July and his agent would know it.

The veteran group in Calgary seems to be very optimistic going forward, which is interesting.

I think this is the more realistic scenario.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

I would love to see Mike Cammalleri stay. BUT......if he is re-signed, that would mean 3 players at 5'9", 6'1", and 5'10" being re-signed instead of the big, tough, truculant players Burke has been going on and on about since he was hired in September.

Furthermore, it would show (in my opinion at least), that he is power hungry and wanted to be POHO/GM regardless of Feaster's ability/inability. I am saying this, because he is bringing back most of Feaster's team.

My point in all of this is that Burke is going to look like all talk if this signing is made.
3 smallish players instead of the big and strong he promised.

Yea, Burke should just trade Cammalleri for Corey Perry! Get some bigger, skilled players on the team!

Burke has to work with what he has for right now. Re-signing Cammalleri doesn't mean he was "all talk". Addressing the size issue is not something he can do right now. For the most part that will have to be fixed through the draft. Trading for big power forwards just doesn't happen very often. Nobody is trading a Milan Lucic, Ryan Getzlaf or Jamie Benn for anything the Flames have to offer.

[ricardodw]

Yipes!

Going into the next season with your 3 most skilled hockey players Hudler, Cammalleri and Brodie.

That leaves virtually no room on the roster for Baertschi, Grandlund and/or Gaudreau.

How much of a reputation does Cammalleri have? He isn't delivering at the 6M level .5 ppg and -22.

I really could see a team overpaying for him to be their over the cap playoff booster based on the last time he was in the play-offs 3 and 4 years ago with no plans to re-sign him as a UFA. But what would a realistic contract offer going forward for Cammalleri be? He will be a 32 year old small guy that hasn't scored over 20 goals in 4 seasons.

If they sign Cammalleri I would suspect that Hudler and/or Gaudreau are on the market. Either one would likely bring back a better return.


I might be off base but I don't see that much of value difference between him and Mason Raymond.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Ya, I can't see Cammy wanting to sign again and I don't blame him in the slightest. He's nearing the end of his prime and can probably cash in as a UFA while being able to pick his destination. By the time the Flames are competitive he will be getting near the end of his career. Great guy but I think he gets traded.

All true, but picking his destination does not always mean a winning team. The same 'devil you know' thinking that makes Cammy an option for Calgary might make Calgary an option for him.

The list of contenders who want to add a scoring forward on a big money/term deal is going to be really small, and they will have their pick of free agents.

A guy like Cammy is likely going to be choosing from contracts from teams that have their own question marks. No sure thing he plays in a competitive situation anywhere else either.

I still think he gets traded, but I would bet the decision is actually pretty hard for both sides.

[CSharp]

God, let's hope the talks ends and a trade ensues. If they want to keep an older smaller player, St Louis is available.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If they sign Cammalleri I would suspect that Hudler and/or Gaudreau are on the market. Either one would likely bring back a better return.

What? I can't see Cammy signing or not having anything to do with Gaudreau. Gaudreau is still a year or two away from making the team at all IMO.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I might be off base but I don't see that much of value difference between him and Mason Raymond.

Raymond could only garner a professional tryout as a free agent, Cammy will have more interest than that guaranteed.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

A guy like Cammy is likely going to be choosing from contracts from teams that have their own question marks. No sure thing he plays in a competitive situation anywhere else either.

He's not likely to end up on LA, Bos, Pitt or Chi but I think he could get interest from teams that have a decent shot of making the playoffs. Maybe teams like Tor, Ana, Van, Ott or Dal?

If he doesn't get a decent offer from a playoff team he could still sign in Calgary, I know I wouldn't hold it against him.

[Iggy Snipe]

Do you guys think he will get more than 4.5 mill per season? I think hes worth about 4.5. I would be happy to keep him at that actually. Anything more, I would like to try and deal him if we get decent return. Maybe get a bigger power forward.

[Enoch Root]

I think he gets something in the $5.5m range

[dammage79]

I was going with 5 million a year max in my own thoughts. So I guess 4.5 to 5.5 is right in the ballpark. Some would argue that 500k off of his last deal is a little less of a pay cut than he realistically should get, but the cap is going up a fair bit too so teams could pony up.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Jacks

He's not likely to end up on LA, Bos, Pitt or Chi but I think he could get interest from teams that have a decent shot of making the playoffs. Maybe teams like Tor, Ana, Van, Ott or Dal?

If he doesn't get a decent offer from a playoff team he could still sign in Calgary, I know I wouldn't hold it against him.

I agree with the fact that he'll probably sign with a bubble playoff team, but I'm just gonna say that Anaheim is not a bubble team, they're one of the best teams in the league...