MLB Trade deadline 8 days away

[Flickered Flame]

Looks like the O's have decided to look elsewhere for pitching and not go after Burnett. Reports are indicating the O's have traded Ponson to the Padres for Phil Nevin who I would suspect they use to get another pitcher. Possibly Jeff Weaver from the Dodgers.

The Padres also picked up Joe Randa from the Reds today.

[CaramonLS]

Florida isn't going to get anything for Burnett if they continue insisting that their mistake Mike Lowell is going to be included in the deal. As well Rumors have been filtering down that yes, he has taken steriods, which makes it all the more unlikely he wont recover from being garbage.

This basically puts Florida in a tough spot, and really most teams interested in Burnett are just thinking they might as well wait till free agency in the off season to swipe him.

I say good. Giving up Chacin and taking on Mike Lowell's contract is just insanity. Too much to give up for Burnett. Not to mention we have to PAY him as well.

[flambers]

I am still shocked the Jays have not made a move as of yet. Any new rumours out there?

[flames_1987]

Doesen't look like the Jays are gonna do much. JP has said he likes the team he has right now and wants to let them grow. Lets not forget not to many people were giving the Jays a shot at being .500 this year, and there still in the race right now. Mind you nobodys giving them a chance but only 5 games back in the div and 4 1/2 in the wildcard, is not that bad. Not to mention the injury to the best pitcher in the league arguably, Koskie's been gone for a lonnggg time and VW had a huge slump at the start of the year, and still the Jays are in ok shape.

Pitching- Halladay is well Halladay. Lilly is defintley hurting right now, worthy to keep around though for next year when hopefully he's 100%. Chacin in my mind has earned himself another year as a Jay but if he can be a part to get AJ then why not. Towers is towers, and so is Walker. Bush has a ton of potential and he'll be starting next year for sure. You've got Halladay Lilly Bush Chacin, if the Jays could add someone in the offseason, a good #2 guy, there rotation wouldn't be that bad in my mind. The bullpen has sucked but there have been some positives. Spier is throwing the ball really well, Chulk hasen't been amazing by any standards but a lot better then I thought he would be. League and Frasor both have got some major league experince and will countinue to improve. Batista is defintley moveable, but how much is he worth? Besides him who's really worth anything? If lilly was healthy and a 100% he would be, but he isn't.

The offense has improved a lot and the core group of players make up not that bad of a lineup.

1. Adams- Not sure if he's still leading all rookies in RBI's, but he's defintley had a good first year and should get even better in the time to come.
2. Cat- Has been healthy almost all year and is really hot right now. If he can stay healthy he's arguablly the best hitter on this team
3. Wells- Tough start this year but his numbers have gone way up from where he was, hopefully he's just day to day, and he's still a big part of this teams future.
4. Shea- Not hitting as good as he was at the start but still a .300 hitter who's arguablly been the best Jay all year
5. Hill- Not as hot as he was before but nobody can keep a streak like that up. looking like he's gonna be something special. Very versatile when it comes to defense as well.
6. Koskie- Injured all year, when he comes back if he can stay healthy, he'll be a huge plus for the Jays with his bat and glove.
7. Zaun- A workhorse and really playing well for the Jays. With Quiroz coming up as a highly touted prospect, the catching spot, besides the backup spot which the Jays will adress, catching looks good.
8. Rios- He's shown he can swing a bat, and he's only gonna get better. If he can keep improving he can be a solid player for the Jays, still very young.
9. Hudson- Great with the glove, but been injured a lot. If O dog can get everything together hes got all the tools to be an all star.
Hinske- For a #8 or 9 hitter is Eric really that bad? over 50 rbi's and double digit HR's
Johnson- A perfect guy off the bench and can step in when needed
Menachino- Replaceable, but not playing all that bad when called upon.
Hucaby- AAA if that

The Jays can add through FA's this offseason especially with the new money flexability they'll have, so I don't really see the Jays making any trades.

Hey Flickered, since the A's have been on this tear, do you see them making any moves? Zito?

[flambers]

If JP does not make a move, this is a big time dissappointment in my opinion. The Jays will be lucky to finish 500 this year and best case will finnish 4th in their division with the current team.

Jays biggest problem is they have zero depth, all it takes is 1 injury and they are finished with Lilly now injured they will have a tough time staying compeititive at all.

JP has the money he owes it to the fans to spend some of it and get a bat & pitcher at the very least. Or it will be another year gone nothing more.

[JiriHrdina]

Lilly is injured now? I didn't hear that. What's wrong with him?

I guess from my perspective JP should only make a move if it helps the club long-term. Giving up some good young arms or other prospects for a short-term fix doesn't make sense as this team is a long-shot to make the post-season this year with Doc out.

[flambers]

Originally posted by JiriHrdina@Jul 25 2005, 11:55 AM
Lilly is injured now? I didn't hear that. What's wrong with him?

I guess from my perspective JP should only make a move if it helps the club long-term. Giving up some good young arms or other prospects for a short-term fix doesn't make sense as this team is a long-shot to make the post-season this year with Doc out.

The rumour Lilly pitched yesterday with a sore shoulder, he left the game with pain. I would not be surprised to see him placed on the DL any time now.

I agree, the Jays should not make a bad move but I have a tough time believing there is not a trade he could make.

[flames_1987]

Lilly is not "injured" as in gonna keep him out at least right now, but even discussed on Coffee Rowe this morning was the fact that he is not a 100% at all and has been fighting pain all year.

Flambers, I totally agree with you about the depth problem. They Jays core group if healthy is a very good one but your right depth is a problem. However for the injurys the Jays have had this year, they've still managed to work through it. However, with your if JP doesen't make a trade you'll be dissapointed, I don't think if you want to add depth like that trading is your best option. The Jays are gonna have to give something up to get something and really what do they have to offer, that could turn into them getting some better in return? As a small market team JP needs to think of the long term future of this club. There is a young nucleus around that this team can contend in years to come if kept around. The depth problem can be adressed through free agency this year, as the Jays now have extra money to spend. The trade market right now is not a big or pretty one right now.

As for the Jays being lucky to finsh .500? What was everyone expecting this team to do this year? Who actually gave the Jays a shot to make the playoffs this year or even contend! The Jays have had to face many injury problems this year, and have still battled through it. .500 and only 5 games back in the toughest divison in baseball arguably is not that bad at all.

The Jays have A LOT to build on with the current team, I don't know what you were expecting from this years team at all. I've been very impressed by the Jays so far, not to mentoin the seasons not even over and the Jays are only 4 1/2 back of the WC and 5 back of the divison. A winning streak can happen just like that and if the Jays can beat the Sox and NYY when they play them who knows?

[flambers]

I agree the Jays have had a good year so far but I would bet when the season is over they are not 500. The Jays need to start to improve at some point, if a fan looks at the last 4 or 5 seasons they have very little improvement. There is some decent prospects on the Horizon but that has been said before as well. JP needs to spend a little money or this team will finish 4th every year. Sure they will show signs of improvement but they are no where near a playoff team.

I bet at the end of the year the Jays are over 12-13 games back of the Wild Card spot.

[flames_1987]

The last few years have been very tough I will agree. However a few years ago it looked like the Jays were bound for success. Josh Phelps looked like he was gonna be amazing not to mention ROY Eric Hinske looked like he was gonna be a cornerstone for the team for years and years.

I just don't see any way the Jays could add both a bat and an arm before the trade deadline. They have no trade bait really. The only positive is there a much better team from last year and Gibbons is doing a really good job in my mind.

The jays may finsh 13 or 14 games under the wildcard, but you never know. These next 2 series will decide the Jays fait. But hey they do have a good young nucleous of players and some actualy money to spend, which they have not had for ages.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, the Jays are wise not to over pay for someone at the trade deadline just to try and finish with 85 wins this year. Keep you best players, and go sign a couple of free agents in the offseason to addresss the holes in the lineup. Trying to win now will only make the Jays worse two years from now.

[Flickered Flame]

Originally posted by flames_1987@Jul 25 2005, 12:38 PM
Hey Flickered, since the A's have been on this tear, do you see them making any moves? Zito?

Well Beane made 2 trades a couple weeks back when he picked up Jay Payton, Joe Kennedy and Jay Witasick. Zito is not going anywhere and I suspect that they give him an extension as well.

My buddies in Oakland told me that Kennedy could be moved to a team in need of a starter. It looks more and more like Burnett might not go anywhere and if Beane could get a real steal from a team he would move Kennedy in a second who just doesn't fit with the A's. Same goes for Keith Ginter, he just doesn't fit. He had a good year last year with the Brewers but hasn't done nothing this year. I know that Beane is looking for another good hittter, a right handed guy but I don't know if there is one out there.

My opinion is that if the A's do make a trade then its likely to be a minor one.

[flambers]

I still want to see the Jays make a move, if no moves are made it will be another year with the same result. I do believe there is a deal to made, obviously not a rent a player type deal (ie AJ Burnett).

Sure the Jays will sign a player or two but they will lose a player as well.

[flames_1987]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=tor


be nice to move Batista with his salary as it is. Anybody know who's a FA next year for the Jays? couldn't find it anywhere on the net

[Pagal4321]

Hinske get's paid more then Vernon? WHAT THE HELL?!
Batista is getting paid 4.75 million?

Wow.......some of those numbers just shock me.

[CaramonLS]

http://www.mlb4u.com/freeagent.html

FA list. No one is an FA for the jays I don't think. Lilly is on that list, but I know he wont have enough service time to become an FA.

[flames_1987]

No FA's eh? If Lilly somehow is, I wonder if JP would re-sign him?

SO the Jays won't be losing any key players then it looks like. If they could dump Batista and or Hinske, they could shore up even more money and then JP could really get to use a full budget.

btw, Jays move 1/2 game closer to the div. lead 4 1/2 thanks to the sox loss.

[Flickered Flame]

Well Phil Nevin rejected the trade to the O's. Watch for Ponson to end up in Texas. I just seen on the score that Manny Ramirez has requested a trade but I have found nothing from espn to confirm.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally posted by Flickered Flame@Jul 26 2005, 07:01 PM
Well Phil Nevin rejected the trade to the O's. Watch for Ponson to end up in Texas. I just seen on the score that Manny Ramirez has requested a trade but I have found nothing from espn to confirm.

This is a deal I didn't understand at all. The Os have plenty of bats - if anything they need more pitching. Ponson isn't great but trading an arm for a bat doesn't really seem to make sense.

[Pagal4321]

Didn't make sense to me either, if it went through I would have been happy tho. O's losing Ponson could have helped the Jays.

I also saw that Manny requested a trade, if anyone finds anything be sure to post it here, cuz i can find NOTHING.