I missed the first period and just had a chance to see the scrap from last night. I am actually furious and wanted to take the temperature in here and see what everyone is thinking.
First of all another "I'm gonna git ya'" after a clean hit...unfortunate that Hillen was hurt on the play but his reflexes did him in there...if he hadn't tried to duck/stretched out he would have been fine IMO.
Regardless, what made me furious is what I saw a few of you commenting on in the game thread...the trip and pant grab of Bouma by Wilson....Bouma came ridiculously close to wrecking his skull thanks to that bush league, epidemic level "I'm done fighting" move.....I think that should be a game and a fine at minimum.....
If you are done fighting, stop throwing and call the refs in....this hero move is only for the fans and someone is going to get hurt bad one day...I know guys have been hurt like this already.
This is not a homer post....I know Flames have done it as well and I think it is just as bush league...think Begin had a bad one close to the boards last year.
What do you guys think? I am not hearing anything on this tactic from the media and I think it's a big deal....am I out to lunch?
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First of all another "I'm gonna git ya'" after a clean his...unfortunate that Hillen was hurt on the play but his reflexes did him in there...if he hadn't tried to duck/stretched out he would have been fine IMO.
This is what I was most upset about. The fact that there was no instigator penalty on that was bush league.
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the Fan morning guys and Elliotte Friedman did bring it up this morning, they were talking about how fighters are actually learning and implementing MMA style takedowns. that sounds ludicrous to me given how you're standing on rock hard slippery ice with knives on your feet. but I don't know how they would be able to outlaw them since there's a lot of accidental takedowns too, like Parros this week. how do you tell which ones are the bad type in all cases?
the Fan morning guys and Elliotte Friedman did bring it up this morning, they were talking about how fighters are actually learning and implementing MMA style takedowns. that sounds ludicrous to me given how you're standing on rock hard slippery ice with knives on your feet. but I don't know how they would be able to outlaw them since there's a lot of accidental takedowns too, like Parros this week. how do you tell which ones are the bad type in all cases?
How do you tell? You watch the guy put his leg behind the other player and throw them over it - pretty clearly intentional. And the Parros incident was pretty clearly not intentional.
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What do you guys think? I am not hearing anything on this tactic from the media and I think it's a big deal....am I out to lunch?
Definitely not. And I think it was Paul Maurice who echoed your exact thoughts in-between periods. I don't know wrestling terms, but what's the point of slamming someone on the ice? It looked like a WWF move. Bouma is very, very lucky because he was about "thisclose" to cracking open his skull on the ice. His lower back was able to take most of the fall.
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I think the NHL has to look at this type of take down. I mean here you have a guy with no helmet on and you pull him backwards over your knee that could make the opponent land on his head. Had Bouma not had his head up like he did he could be out with concussion. What he did is bush league imo and should be looked at as an attempt to injure.
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Don't like staged fights and i don't like these kind of fights. Sick of seeing players deliver a clean hit and have to fight right after. Need to get that out of the game.
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I don't know how you counter that penalty wise. Grappling has always been part of hockey fights. We don't see the Bobby Nystrom style fight where both fighters just lean back and fire.
I'm convinced that part of the problem is that yes fighters and hockey players are MMA training. I'm also convinced that jersey tiedowns need to be more forgiving as unlike in my day you can really control a guy with a tied down jersey.
Maybe its an additional 2 minute roughing penalty if you grab below the waist?
I wasn't upset about the fight so much because it is how players fight nowdays but there has to be a preventative penalty to stop the MMA take downs.
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it was a dick move. Wilson did it on purpose that was no accident, no slip, no loss of balance.
It was your classic Kosoto Gake, fine to do on a mat or the ground but on the ice it is garbage.
Didn't like it, and generally don't like how popular its becoming. Very dangerous tactic (yeah its a fight, I get it...but).
Add a 2 or 10 minute penalty on it for throwing your opponent to the ice with needless force. Much like that NFL punishes aggressive driving of a player to the ground.
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I was screaming at the tv when that happened. It was extremely dangerous and i'm surprised Bouma and McGrattan didn't make a fuss over it.
Very dissapointed in Wilson who has been hyped as this big time power forward prospect and feared fighter. Why he would need to resort to a takedown like that over a middleweight fighter is pathetic. Guess he's not the second coming of Lucic if he can barely handle Lance Bouma.
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Intentional MMA/WWF takedowns is what should result in a misconduct. Very dangerous and looks so ridiculous (guys use this when they're overmatched or tired and want the fight to end).
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Didn't like it, and generally don't like how popular its becoming. Very dangerous tactic (yeah its a fight, I get it...but).
Add a 2 or 10 minute penalty on it for throwing your opponent to the ice with needless force. Much like that NFL punishes aggressive driving of a player to the ground.
A 2 or 10 will not send a message and get this type of take down out of the league. It needs to be a game misconduct for first infraction and then league review for more games if done again. You want to change course you need to hit the guys in the pocketbook, they will not be willing to give up $25,000 per game suspended in order to take a guy down like that(based on a $2m salary).
If the league is serious about dealing with concussions then they will move on this, if not they may be giving more ammo to a potential class action like the NFL just settled.
Thoughts on the Tom Wilson takedown of Bouma?
