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How much does the town of High River get from Superstore for their brand of bottled water? (It says on the bottle it comes from High River.)
I always look at the cost of bottled water in that I am not paying for the product; but I am paying for the packaging and delivery of the product. Which is why I never pay more than 15¢ for a bottle of water.
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I think that they should have to pay for the resource if they are going to sell it. There should also be restrictions placed on them for usage during times of drought. You get charged for water that comes out of your tap at home. Why should a corporation be any different?
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When we pay for water at home we are paying for the purification of the water, the transport of the water and the sanitation of the waste water.
If Nestle is providing that in house then they shouldn't pay any more than any other industrial user who has water rights.
Perhaps some of the O and G guys can chime in and let us know what they pay to pull water from a river for drilling? They provide their own pumps and pipes and get a temporary license to pull thousands of cubic meters of water out.
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Nestle isn't doing anything wrong - why wouldn't you locate your plant where you can get the resource for "free" (I'm sure it doesn't leap into the bottles on its own) and save costs by doing so? If the BC government wants to charge for the water, they'd best find out how much water for such plants costs elsewhere, so that it doesn't just shut down and all those jobs go somewhere else.
So - overblown. I'm all against the Evil Corporations, but only if they are actually doing evil. How much water is in the aquifer, anyway? Are they in danger of sucking it all out anytime soon? The article just vaguely claims some people are worried about the water running out, but since it's the media, I assume that means that either nobody knows or it's definitely not and "people" are the usual idiots.
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When we pay for water at home we are paying for the purification of the water, the transport of the water and the sanitation of the waste water.
If Nestle is providing that in house then they shouldn't pay any more than any other industrial user who has water rights.
Perhaps some of the O and G guys can chime in and let us know what they pay to pull water from a river for drilling? They provide their own pumps and pipes and get a temporary license to pull thousands of cubic meters of water out.
This problem could be solved very simply. Don't buy bottled water. It's a waste and one of the worst plights on our whole civilization IMO. Water should not be any more chargeable than air.
I'm not going to claim that I've never bought bottled water, but the odd time I do I feel like gigantic fool paying $2 for 750 ml of something I can go to my tap and get for basically free.
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Nestle just lost a court case dealing with water in Ontario.
In that case, it was an attempt to be exempted from restrictions in times of drought.
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Conservationists are celebrating after the Ontario Environmental Review Tribunal dismissed a motion to approve a proposed deal between Nestlé and the province that would have exempted the Swiss food giant from water restrictions during droughts at a well it owns in Wellington County.
And they do pay for the water:
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The permit for the Nestlé well allows the company to pump 1.13 million litres of water per day. Under Ontario regulations, the company pays only $3.71 for every million litres of water it draws.
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I think that they should have to pay for the resource if they are going to sell it. There should also be restrictions placed on them for usage during times of drought. You get charged for water that comes out of your tap at home. Why should a corporation be any different?
does a resource fee already exist in o&g? what about mining or forestry?
i don't have a clue - that's why i'm asking
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This problem could be solved very simply. Don't buy bottled water. It's a waste and one of the worst plights on our whole civilization IMO. Water should not be any more chargeable than air.
I'm not going to claim that I've never bought bottled water, but the odd time I do I feel like gigantic fool paying $2 for 750 ml of something I can go to my tap and get for basically free.
Actually that problem is not solved very easily and trying to use it as an argument is dumb. The demand for bottled water will always be there so your solution is terrible and for another thread.
I think there should be a minimum charge for the water. Maybe a couple million bucks a year or something like that. Nothing that makes Nestle want to change locations but enough for the community to be getting something out of it other than 75 jobs.
The big water bottle businesses have paid millions of dollars to tell us to drink more water, but not just any water, only bottled water. Craig Stevens, V.P. Communications of the American Beverage Association asserts that, “The bottled water industry does not see itself in competition with tap water,” (Soechtig, 2009). Despite Stevens claim, there have been several people who have come right out and stated that it is a cut-throat ompetition. For example, Susan Wellington, President of Quaker’s U.S. beverage division, was caught saying, “When we’re done, tap water will be relegated to showers and washing dishes,” (Soechtig, 2009). Furthermore, Robert S. Morrison, chief of Gatorade’s parent, Quaker Oats Co., blatantly pronounced that, “The biggest enemy is tap water.”
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Peter Gleick of the Pacific Institute and author of Bottled and Sold, estimates that the total energy required for every bottle’s production, transport, and disposal is on average equal to filling a quarter of that bottle with oil (Royte, 2008, p. 139).
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In his book, he writes, “This energy cost is a thousand times larger than the energy required to procure, process, treat, and deliver tap water,” (Gleick, 2010, p. 95)
Seems like a huge waste of a very vital resource, no?
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The most important controversy in bottled water is whether or not the industry should be able to commodify a basic human right. All human beings should be allowed easy access to clean drinking water. “We all have a right to clean water. And we all need to acknowledge that no water is pure, that all water is recycled.
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There’s no point in skirting the issues and fudging the facts: in some places, at some times, bottled water may be of higher quality than tap. But that doesn’t mean we should all rely on it,” (Royte, 2008).
Funny, the CEO of Nestle's thinks it should all be monetized. Yet they are getting it for next to nothing, or worse, free themselves. (Youtube video below)
Environmentally MattyC is right. Bottled water is the devil. It's a dumb idea sold to us by commercials and in some cases, vanity.
Not only that, all those supposed health benefits of extra oxygen, water from exotic locales, etc. are not only untrue, but often not even in the water as advertised. For example, many brands of spring water have been shown to be taken from the tap from some system.
It's marketing and consumerism pure and simple.
Unfortunately there is a huge demand for it, and even being environmentally minded, I can see some legitimate uses and important conveniences with it.
It, like all environmental issues, probably starts with education. It is another thing, like many, where we really need to reduce and conserve and think about.
Pretty much all environmentalism comes from that. Think about where your energy comes from, and use less.
Environmentally MattyC is right. Bottled water is the devil. It's a dumb idea sold to us by commercials and in some cases, vanity.
Not only that, all those supposed health benefits of extra oxygen, water from exotic locales, etc. are not only untrue, but often not even in the water as advertised. For example, many brands of spring water have been shown to be taken from the tap from some system.
It's marketing and consumerism pure and simple.
Unfortunately there is a huge demand for it, and even being environmentally minded, I can see some legitimate uses and important conveniences with it.
It, like all environmental issues, probably starts with education. It is another thing, like many, where we really need to reduce and conserve and think about.
Pretty much all environmentalism comes from that. Think about where your energy comes from, and use less.
I watched a TED talks not long ago where a guy had invented a water bottle (looked simliar to a GNC bottle) where you could put the dirtiest imaginable water into it, shake for 30 seconds or so and pour out clean, sterilized water. He said each one cost about $12 I think. I'll see if I can find a video when I get home from work, but in watching the presentation and seeing the guy drink water that was filled with urine and feces transformed into clean water in under a minute, made me scratch my head at why not everyone in the world (much less areas where clean water is hard to come by) has one of these bottles in their hands. It's really disgusting form a humanist point of view.
BC allows Nestlé free water to sell back as bottled water
