A couple of questions- Powerplay stats and rules

[EverfresH15]

May be a fata but I have a couple questions.

If a major penalty is called and you score more then one goal, what is your PP record??

Also if there is a goal that is not initially called, if there is a fighting major or a minor penalty after the fact. Does the fighting major get called? does the minor get called?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by EverfresH15

May be a fata but I have a couple questions.

If a major penalty is called and you score more then one goal, what is your PP record??

Also if there is a goal that is not initially called, if there is a fighting major or a minor penalty after the fact. Does the fighting major get called? does the minor get called?

when you start, it is your first PP

if you score, you essentially start a second one (for stats purposes) - so if you get one goal, you go 1 for 2. If you get 2 goals, you go 2 for 3, etc

I remember a game once where the Jets were perfect on the PP - 3 for 3 if I remember correctly. Then they got a 5 minute major. They scored 3 goals on it and as a result were only 6 for 7. I always thought that was a stupid way to do it - because, despite scoring 3 more goals (it might even have been 4) their PP percentage for the night went down.

[GirlySports]

yeah I've never understood what the NHL continues to calculate PP percentage in this primitive way.

The best and only way PP ranking should be calculated is avg minutes between PP goals. This would take in account PP that get cut short by another penalty as well.

For example the Flames have had 239:01 minutes PP time and 29 goals

So Calgary's PP ratio would be 1 goal every 8:15 minutes

Oilers have had 243:16 PP time and 33 goals
They're ratio would be 1 goal every 7:25 minutes

and so on.

[getbak]

For the second part of the question, Rule 78.6, http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/pdf...3_RuleBook.pdf:

Any penalties signaled during the period of time between the apparent goal and the next stoppage of play shall be assessed in the normal manner, except when a minor penalty is to be assessed to the team scored upon, and is therefore nullified by the scoring of the goal. Refer to Rules 16.2 and 18.2. If an infraction happens after the first stoppage of play following an apparent goal (infraction after the whistle) by either team, it is assessed and served in the normal manner regardless as to the decision rendered by the Video Goal Judge.

[$ven27]

One question that I have, what if two brothers with the same first lname with the same starting letter played on the same team? Would they put both their first and last names?

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by $ven27

One question that I have, what if two brothers with the same first name played on the same team? Would they put both their first and last names?

If two brothers have the same first name, their parents are stupid. If a team had two brothers with the same first name, and they decided that a good way to distinguish them would be to put both first and last names on their name plate, then they would be stupid.

I think you might mean they have the same first letter though. I remember team finland had both M. Granlunds playing last year... I'm pretty sure they did Ma and Mi Granlund.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by Major Major

If two brothers have the same first name, their parents are stupid. If a team had two brothers with the same first name, and they decided that a good way to distinguish them would be to put both first and last names on their name plate, then they would be stupid.

I think you might mean they have the same first letter though. I remember team finland had both M. Granlunds playing last year... I'm pretty sure they did Ma and Mi Granlund.

Yeah, that's what I meant, I edited it. But what if their names were say Shane and Shawn? Would they still just add on Shaw. and Shan. ?

[Arsenal14]

The Sutters also ran into that one a few times. Rich and Ron played together in Philadelphia and I think Darryl and Duane played together. Again they just put the first couple of letters of the first name (though I seem to recall Ron having his full name).

The more difficult case of two players with the same name (not brothers) I believe has already happened - I think one of Down Goes Brown's recent columns mentioned two Greg Adams playing together in Vancouver. My guess is they just put Adams on the jerseys.

[getbak]

When Robyn and Richie Regehr played for the Flames, they both just had Regehr on their jersey, no initial at all.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by getbak

When Robyn and Richie Regehr played for the Flames, they both just had Regehr on their jersey, no initial at all.

I have my doubts... link?

[t0rrent98]

Originally Posted by $ven27

One question that I have, what if two brothers with the same first lname with the same starting letter played on the same team? Would they put both their first and last names?

Couldn't you just tell them apart by their jersey # if that were to happen?

[AC]

Originally Posted by Fire

I have my doubts... link?

Here we go, took a bit of digging.

Here's Richie Regehr celebrating after Langkow tipped in his shot:

[jessnuts]

My question: similar to the pp one. Is a goalies save % for the season calculated by their total saves vs shots against, or is it an average of each games save %? Always wondered

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jessnuts

My question: similar to the pp one. Is a goalies save % for the season calculated by their total saves vs shots against, or is it an average of each games save %? Always wondered

I'm quite sure that SP is always calculated according to total saves : total shots against. Whenever I do my own calculations according to these figures, mine always match those posted by nhl.com.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

yeah I've never understood what the NHL continues to calculate PP percentage in this primitive way.

The best and only way PP ranking should be calculated is avg minutes between PP goals. This would take in account PP that get cut short by another penalty as well.

For example the Flames have had 239:01 minutes PP time and 29 goals

So Calgary's PP ratio would be 1 goal every 8:15 minutes

Oilers have had 243:16 PP time and 33 goals
They're ratio would be 1 goal every 7:25 minutes

and so on.

Exactly - I have always argued this.

Truly astounding that they do it the way they do.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly - I have always argued this.

Truly astounding that they do it the way they do.

I wonder if some calculation could be added to take into account 5 on 3s and 4 on 3s.
Sports is about statistics and sabremetics now. NHL needs to get on board.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I wonder if some calculation could be added to take into account 5 on 3s and 4 on 3s.
Sports is about statistics and sabremetics now. NHL needs to get on board.

I would just include 4 on 3s with normal PPs.

But I would want to separate 5 on 3s if possible. Or include them in the stats but also track them as a sub-component

[Nage Waza]

Teams manage all of their own stats, imcluding shots, zone control etc. Anything published by the NHL is just for fans and can be pretty inconcistent between cities.