[News] Friedman: GMs angry about Mike Keenan's comments (re: tampering)

[Ashasx]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-deadline.html

26. In doing research for Hotstove Tonight, I was taken aback at how many GMs were angry about Mike Keenan's comments regarding Kiprusoff and the possibility that Jarome Iginla was tampered with. Keenan, who works for Sportsnet, basically said it is was understood the goalie would retire before the last season of his contract. It is worth $1.5 million, significantly less than his average. "[Keenan] was an employee of the team then," one GM fumed. "They can't just get away with that." Another exec said he thought it would be impossible to prove. "That's a long way from having an agreement or handshake that he would walk away."

I'm a little confused by this. Are the GMs angry at Keenan, or the Flames in general?

After all that has happened with Erixon, with Iginla... wouldn't it be the cherry on the top of this season if the Flames were charged for tampering with Kiprusoff, the actions of a GM who is no longer employed by the team, who just won the Stanley Cup as a coach last season.

Also:

27. As for Iginla, Hockey Night's Ron MacLean pressed him about contact from Crosby and the Penguins in this Inside Hockey interview. "I didn't talk to [Crosby] before, but he put in a good word," Iginla said. Again, it's very difficult to prove unless you have a paper trail.

[PeteMoss]

That was basically the untold story of all of these deals. If they are going to come after the Flames they'd have to come after everyone.

[keenan87]

Wouldn't the Kipper argument be bunked if he plays next season?

As for Iggy, Sidney is the captain of the Pittsburgh Penguins and played with him on the olympic team. Maybe they asked him about Iginla and if he thinks Iggy would be a good fit for the team. That is not tampering.

I really don't think there is much of an argument here, especially if Kiprusoff decides to play next season. Keenan could be pulling stuff out of his arse to increase his credibility.

[Wronskian]

Not sure if the Flames would be at fault with the Iginla trade. If anything wouldn't it be the penguins at fault?

[CSharp]

Whatever - this is like a mole hill made into a mountain.

If the Leafs do get Kipper based on their talks with Kipper, then yeah, I'd call it tampering. I really don't want the Flames to deal with the Leafs.

[cKy]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Whatever - this is like a mole hill made into a mountain.

If the Leafs do get Kipper based on their talks with Kipper, then yeah, I'd call it tampering. I really don't want the Flames to deal with the Leafs.

What? The Flames granted the Leafs permission to talk to Kipper. That is the opposite of tampering.

[drPepper1]

Nothing's going to happen. Just media needing something to talk about

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

Not sure if the Flames would be at fault with the Iginla trade. If anything wouldn't it be the penguins at fault?

Yes, but that wasn't the main point Friedman made.

Keenan said that 5 years ago, when Darryl signed Kiprusoff to his contract, they had an agreement that he wouldn't play the last year of his deal.

If this was proven true, it would likely cost the Flames their first round pick this year, amongst others, and a huge fine.

The team would be devastated by the actions of a GM who isn't even on our payroll.

[Yrebmi]

Nothing will come of it.
However I would think the Flames and possibly the Bruins would be considered the victims of any tampering not the perpetrators in the Jarome Iginla trade.

Edit: As to a possible handshake deal with Kipper years ago, I'm not sure that would be Tampering either, even if it was proven that assumed thoughts were spoken aloud.

[868904]

The NhL can go to hell if they punish the Flames for that. Every tea was doing that back n those days. Plus they never punished the Rangers for the Erixon thing which was clearly tampering.

Keenan is a ######, just killed any chance of him ever getting another job in the NHL, not like there was much anyways.

[albertGQ]

How is that tampering? Maybe cap circumvention but tampering?
You can't tamper with the player (Kipper) if he's on your own team. LOL

I can see the word tampering be used for the Iggy to Pens trade but not the Kipper contract signing

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yes, but that wasn't the main point Friedman made.

Keenan said that 5 years ago, when Darryl signed Kiprusoff to his contract, they had an agreement that he wouldn't play the last year of his deal.

If this was proven true, it would likely cost the Flames their first round pick this year, amongst others, and a huge fine.

The team would be devastated by the actions of a GM who isn't even on our payroll.

if it's not on paper it never happened. The fact Keenan is opening his trap about things he can't backup or prove makes him look desperate for air time. He could open himself up for some backlash himself making claims like that.

[Azure]

Problem is you can't prove either.

Keenan might have been speculating, and if pressed that is probably what he would say.

In terms of Jarome going to the Penguins, is it a problem if Crosby tells him to come to Pittsburgh?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Yes, but that wasn't the main point Friedman made.

Keenan said that 5 years ago, when Darryl signed Kiprusoff to his contract, they had an agreement that he wouldn't play the last year of his deal.

If this was proven true, it would likely cost the Flames their first round pick this year, amongst others, and a huge fine.

The team would be devastated by the actions of a GM who isn't even on our payroll.

Back away from the ledge. You have just proven why people write articles about non-issues, because it creates fake drama and sells papers.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

^Friedman in his article states that technically there is new verbiage in the new CBA from disallowing a player from attempting to court a currently signed player as in, yes that can be viewed as tampering as well.

[albertGQ]

Friedman on HNIC said tampering is not just team courting a player but can also be player courting player

[trublmaker]

[QUOTE=flamesrule_kipper34;4176358]^Friedman in his article states that technically there is new verbiage in the new CBA from disallowing a player from attempting to court a currently signed player as in, yes that can be viewed as tampering as well

Which both Iggy and Crosby have denied so it really is a non-issue.

[Locke]

Much ado about nothing.

In terms of Kiprusoff, that was under the old CBA, his contract was among many that were deemed 'questionable' but if they want to punish the Flames for that they're going to have to punish a whole lot of other people.

Either way, the NHL 'okay'd' the deal, if there was anything they found questionable they would have had to have said something way back then.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opin...-deadline.html

I'm a little confused by this. Are the GMs angry at Keenan, or the Flames in general?

After all that has happened with Erixon, with Iginla... wouldn't it be the cherry on the top of this season if the Flames were charged for tampering with Kiprusoff, the actions of a GM who is no longer employed by the team, who just won the Stanley Cup as a coach last season.

Also:

The Flames and Kiprusoff can have all the "understandings" they want but if Kiprusoff changes his mind on a certain "understanding" and decides to play the final season, they'll contractually owe him $1.5 million for doing so.

Tempest in a teapot.

Cowperson

[JiriHrdina]

7. There's no guarantee things would be the same if Ryan O'Reilly was a Flame, but can you imagine what would be happening if the Avalanche had their pick AND Calgary's?

***shudder***

Wonder if the Avs regret not taking the picks.