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Old 01-30-2013, 09:00 AM   #1
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Looking at the early season stats, there are a few players really standing out.

I guess Patrick Marleau is the big one that comes to mind. Over the course of an 82 game season, he would be projecting to 191 points. Ok, I know... it's only 6 games and it is extremely unlikely that he would maintain that pace, but over a 48 game season, a start like this can go a long way into earning him some awards at the end. I also watched a few of those San Jose games this season, and it's not like he is getting "easy" points. He is really playing well. Over the past 2 seasons, he has been a player that fans often mentioned as someone the Flames should target.

Other surprises:

Daniel Winnik. This guy has always been a good energy player, but he is getting a lot of points early in the season. I am sure he won't maintain the pace, but he sure has been fun to watch.

Zack Kassian. Four goals to start the season to Hodgson's 3. Way too early to judge that trade, but I was hoping for worse for the Canucks.

Cory Conacher. A 23 year old, small, undrafted rookie - currently in the top 10 for scoring. He was a big producer last year in the AHL and seems to be carrying off at the NHL level.

On the flip side, guys like Smyth and J. Jokinen are still pointless. Weber and Garrison are also pointless, although it is a little more forgivable because they are defensemen.

What else stands out to people?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:06 AM   #2
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wait a few games

Every player has hot stretches where they get an inordinate number of goals in a few games. When it happens at the beginning of the season, it is more visible. But that doesn't make it more substantive (unless they prove they can maintain it).

Once those players settle back to their pace, and others have their hot streaks, the world will be right-side-up again.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:08 AM   #3
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Looking at the early season stats, there are a few players really standing out.

I guess Patrick Marleau is the big one that comes to mind. Over the course of an 82 game season, he would be projecting to 191 points. Ok, I know... it's only 6 games and it is extremely unlikely that he would maintain that pace, but over a 48 game season, a start like this can go a long way into earning him some awards at the end. I also watched a few of those San Jose games this season, and it's not like he is getting "easy" points. He is really playing well. Over the past 2 seasons, he has been a player that fans often mentioned as someone the Flames should target.

Other surprises:

Daniel Winnik. This guy has always been a good energy player, but he is getting a lot of points early in the season. I am sure he won't maintain the pace, but he sure has been fun to watch.

Zack Kassian. Four goals to start the season to Hodgson's 3. Way too early to judge that trade, but I was hoping for worse for the Canucks.

Cory Conacher. A 23 year old, small, undrafted rookie - currently in the top 10 for scoring. He was a big producer last year in the AHL and seems to be carrying off at the NHL level.

On the flip side, guys like Smyth and J. Jokinen are still pointless. Weber and Garrison are also pointless, although it is a little more forgivable because they are defensemen.

What else stands out to people?
Hodgson is a much better player than Kassian.
Kassian is playing with the Sedins. I bet Rocky Thompson would but up 15G if he played with the Sedins.
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Looking at shooting percentages, the guys in top-20 with over 30%: Marleau, Conacher, Winnik.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:19 AM   #5
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Looking at the early season stats, there are a few players really standing out.

I guess Patrick Marleau is the big one that comes to mind. Over the course of an 82 game season, he would be projecting to 191 points. Ok, I know... it's only 6 games and it is extremely unlikely that he would maintain that pace, but over a 48 game season, a start like this can go a long way into earning him some awards at the end. I also watched a few of those San Jose games this season, and it's not like he is getting "easy" points. He is really playing well. Over the past 2 seasons, he has been a player that fans often mentioned as someone the Flames should target.

Other surprises:

Daniel Winnik. This guy has always been a good energy player, but he is getting a lot of points early in the season. I am sure he won't maintain the pace, but he sure has been fun to watch.

Zack Kassian. Four goals to start the season to Hodgson's 3. Way too early to judge that trade, but I was hoping for worse for the Canucks.

Cory Conacher. A 23 year old, small, undrafted rookie - currently in the top 10 for scoring. He was a big producer last year in the AHL and seems to be carrying off at the NHL level.

On the flip side, guys like Smyth and J. Jokinen are still pointless. Weber and Garrison are also pointless, although it is a little more forgivable because they are defensemen.

What else stands out to people?
Drew Doughty has 0 points so far as well.

Iggy has 19 shots but no goals yet.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:24 AM   #6
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Remember when the Oilers were the top team in the West after the first few weeks last season?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:27 AM   #7
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sort of a team stat but Florida has a 5% shooting percentage this year

that has to go up
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:34 AM   #8
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I think that the beginning of the season is somewhat like preseason games... some guys are not ready yet (so will have less points that what they will have later), some guys are ready from playing in Europe and will have more points against teams and players that are not ready.

And I think the sample size is still too small for some teams (like the Flames - don't believe that Iginla will be goal less for 48 games.

Agree that Marleau's start is very impressive and if he even continues at an 80% clip will win a lot of hardware.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:40 AM   #9
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a few surprising things to me.

- Andrei Markov returning from the dead and posting 4 goals and 7 points already, and that he has 3 game winners.
- Rafael Diaz with 7 points already.
- Ladislav Smid with 25 PIM
- Bouwmeester being under 24 minutes per game


Another thing that isn't really surprising but more refreshing to see is Matt Stajan being used to his strengths. Playing him on the PK and having him lead the team in faceoffs taken is very smart of Hartley. Really goes to show how he was being misused before.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:44 AM   #10
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Ryan Suter has been on the ice for 10 ES goals against, tied for last in the league with Dion Phaneuf.

The Flames as a team have the lowest PIM per game in the league - at 8.5

The Flames are the only team in the league without a fight to this point in the season.

Joe Thornton has been on the ice for 20 goals - 19 by the Sharks, and 1 by the opposition.
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I know we like to hate on the Canucks, and rightly so, but I've watched a lot of the Canucks this year, and Kassian looks really good. You can attribute it to playing with the Sedins if you like, but I think they have a good player here. Hodgson may yet be the better player, but I don't think the Canucks did that badly on that one.

Marleau's always been an agonizingly-streaky player, so I guess it's fortunate for San Jose that he's on the good side of it to start a short season.

Ilya Kovalchuk is getting ridiculous amounts of ice time for Jersey, and looks dangerous a lot of the time. But only a modest point total so far (5 in 5 games, 2 goals).

Of the little B's hockey I've watched, Nathan Horton seems to be scoring big goals at big times of games so far. 3 goals in 6.

Our own Curtis Glencross with 3 in 4 games is notable. I know our rival fans would love to tell us that his shooting percentage was a fluke and he'll never sniff 30 let alone 20 again, but could he be the real deal? Can we pencil him in for 25+ annually?
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Ryan Suter has been on the ice for 10 ES goals against, tied for last in the league with Dion Phaneuf.

The Flames as a team have the lowest PIM per game in the league - at 8.5

The Flames are the only team in the league without a fight to this point in the season.

Joe Thornton has been on the ice for 20 goals - 19 by the Sharks, and 1 by the opposition.
Insanity. It will normalize, but you have to tip your hat to that stat.
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I know we like to hate on the Canucks, and rightly so, but I've watched a lot of the Canucks this year, and Kassian looks really good. You can attribute it to playing with the Sedins if you like, but I think they have a good player here. Hodgson may yet be the better player, but I don't think the Canucks did that badly on that one.

Marleau's always been an agonizingly-streaky player, so I guess it's fortunate for San Jose that he's on the good side of it to start a short season.

Ilya Kovalchuk is getting ridiculous amounts of ice time for Jersey, and looks dangerous a lot of the time. But only a modest point total so far (5 in 5 games, 2 goals).

Of the little B's hockey I've watched, Nathan Horton seems to be scoring big goals at big times of games so far. 3 goals in 6.

Our own Curtis Glencross with 3 in 4 games is notable. I know our rival fans would love to tell us that his shooting percentage was a fluke and he'll never sniff 30 let alone 20 again, but could he be the real deal? Can we pencil him in for 25+ annually?
Yes. I thought he proved that last year (improving on the prior year). And the fact that he is doing exactly the same so far this year pretty much ices it for me. Another aspect of this is that he has been with all kinds of different linemates and very little stability on that front - but it doesn't seem to matter at all. He keeps producing, regardless of who he plays with.
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Cammalleri with 3 shots on goal.
Bouwmeester with double the shots of Cammalleri
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Hodgson is a much better player than Kassian.
Kassian is playing with the Sedins.
Kassian started the season playing with Ebbett and Raymond, that's basically the 4th line. He was moved up to the first line because he played well, where he has been for the past 3 games. In contrast, Hodgson is playing with Vanek and Pominville on Buffalo's top line and has been since day 1.
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Ryan Suter has been on the ice for 10 ES goals against, tied for last in the league with Dion Phaneuf.

The Flames as a team have the lowest PIM per game in the league - at 8.5

The Flames are the only team in the league without a fight to this point in the season.

Joe Thornton has been on the ice for 20 goals - 19 by the Sharks, and 1 by the opposition.
Additionally the Marleau/Thornton/Pavelski line has already accumulated 39 points over the first 6 games. 6.5 points per game from one line.
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Yes. I thought he proved that last year (improving on the prior year). And the fact that he is doing exactly the same so far this year pretty much ices it for me. Another aspect of this is that he has been with all kinds of different linemates and very little stability on that front - but it doesn't seem to matter at all. He keeps producing, regardless of who he plays with.
My two major concerns with Glencross maintaining his production this season were how much would a lower shooting percentage effect his production, and how much of that production was a result of his obvious chemistry with Jokinen. Over his career Glencross has always had a higher than normal shooting percentage, so even if it drops down to his career average of 15% with increased ice time/PP time he should be good for 25-30 in an 82 game season. As you mentioned he's also been productive with almost anyone you put him on a line with, and even driving the play in a lot of cases. I've also been impressed with his passing so far this year, something that wasn't necessarily a strength of his in the past.
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