03-04-2013, 12:08 PM
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Fearmongerer
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Kiprusoff may have more value than ever
With what has happened over the last couple days, it may be time to deal a guy i didnt think the Flames should ever should have. However, the G market has opened up to sellers, of that there is little doubt.
Personally Im not sure I want to see him go, but there is an argument for it without question.
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Carolina Hurricanes goaltender Cam Ward will be sidelined six to eight weeks with a third-degree sprain of the medial collateral ligament in a knee, the team announced Monday.
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Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/03/...#storylink=cpy
In Florida it appears that Theodore could be out just as long if not longer with whispers of a torn groin muscle.
Detroit may be looking as Howard has fallen off.
Pittsburgh may see Fleury as the lone obstacle to winning a SC.
Tampa may be looking as well as Lindback has been less than great.
Lots of teams could use a guy like Kipper who has a pretty solid recent past to suggest he can make a difference to a team with aspirations of a long SC run.
With only 1 million owed him after this season, if made available he would be very attractive to many a team iMO...i do wonder though how much desire Calgary management has to make a deal with him....of course if they are still thinking of making the PO's this season then its a moot point.
That being said, I really wonder if the events of last week have them re-thinking their entire approach and maybe go in a new direstion.
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03-04-2013, 12:11 PM
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With the revolving door of goalies the Flames have been forced to use this season... I don't think it's the smartest choice to go dealing your one true ace in the hole. Yeah, he played completely average to start the year, but only a fool would think that trend would continue for an extended period of time. He's an elite goalie, and a suddenly very affordable one, not something I feel Calgary should be in a rush to move out unless the return was something truly special.
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03-04-2013, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Pittsburgh may see Fleury as the lone obstacle to winning a SC.
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If the Pens are willing to mortgage their future to get Iggy and Kipper, I think the Flames should do it. It will be really, really painful to see them go but long term it's for the best.
It would also make Pittsburgh a scary good team if Kiprusoff can get in the groove, not to mention if Iggy gets going.
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03-04-2013, 12:14 PM
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Who would be our goalie if Kipper is traded?
His value to us is much more valuable than anything we could get in return. Goalies rarely get anything valuable in return.
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03-04-2013, 12:15 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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While it would be great, I think the ROR move shows that this organization is still committed to challenging for the playoffs this year; and they know that Kiprusoff is their single best chance of making it happen this season. I think the only way we rebuild is if KK/Feaster get canned.
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03-04-2013, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
While it would be great, I think the ROR move shows that this organization is still committed to challenging for the playoffs this year; and they know that Kiprusoff is their single best chance of making it happen this season. I think the only way we rebuild is if KK/Feaster get canned.
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If we're in 12th or worse at the deadline, that could change the win now mindset.
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03-04-2013, 12:16 PM
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Franchise Player
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Kiprusoff has given this team so much and the team has relied on Kiprusoff for so long, but I think it's time to move on and let someone else emerge as the #1. We aren't winning the Stanley Cup in the next two years with or without Kiprusoff.
Him and Iginla are the best pieces the Flames have and while I'm against trading Iginla, that just makes it that much more necessary to trade Kiprusoff.
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03-04-2013, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Icon
If we're in 12th or worse at the deadline, that could change the win now mindset.
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Doubt it.
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03-04-2013, 12:17 PM
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Pretty much copy paste from my previous post, but I think the Islanders would be highly interested as well, especially come off-season.
If Wang really is trying to sell, it would make sense they want to be icing the best team they can in hopes of generating some interest prior to their, very small, move to Brooklyn. And as it stands now, they're playing decent hockey...as far as on the Island goes. However, the biggest obstacle is that they can't spend, not only have they been a salary floor team, but with reports like this indicating that things are going to get messy for them with Nassau and could end up costing them more than anticipated. At the very least in legal fees.
As it stands now their heading into the off-season with their starter, 37 year old Nabokov, being a free agent, DiPietro playing terrible in the A, and Tim Thomas likely being a non-factor. Kiprusoff at 1.5M would be a Godsend to them, a veteran presence to give someone like Poulin or Nilsson a year as backups to really show their worth. As it stands now, they're only a couple points out of the playoffs, terrific goaltending could be that last hurdle to get them over the playoff hump.
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03-04-2013, 12:17 PM
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Franchise Player
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At this point if you are the Flames you have to entertain any and all offers that come across the desk for Kipper. No one on this team should be concidered 'untouchable' except for Baertschi and Brodie.
Kipper is a decling asset with an attractive contract to other teams. Its the philosophy of not moving these assets sooner that has put the Flames in the position they are currently in.
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03-04-2013, 12:18 PM
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Fearmongerer
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
Who would be our goalie if Kipper is traded?
His value to us is much more valuable than anything we could get in return. Goalies rarely get anything valuable in return.
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What does it matter?
If the team is what it appears they are....then MacDonald or someone acquired in a Kipper trade or even Rammo once the KHL is done...can all fill that space moving forward.
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03-04-2013, 12:18 PM
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I guess it all depends on what Kipper wants. He looks pretty content to me.
I mean, how many people here would be excited to move if their boss came to them and said "for the same salary, we are moving you to company B based out of Detroit, they are tops in our field and should be number one in our field by year end, so pack up the family, your going to Detroit"?
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03-04-2013, 12:19 PM
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I'm on board with possibly trading Iginla but I think keeping Kipper is the right move. If we were to go with a youth movement, I think it's better if the kids feel like they can win a game on any given night.
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03-04-2013, 12:20 PM
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Location: Auckland, NZ
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What about pulling something like this, if we're out of it by the beginning of April:
Kiprusoff to Carolina / Florida / Tampa for a 1st at the deadline. Run with MacDonald / Ramo / Taylor for the rest of the year.
At the deadline or the draft, trade Giordano / Irving to Los Angeles for Bernier / Fobort. That may not even be enough to pry someone like Fobort away, but a big mobile defenseman doesn't come cheap.
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03-04-2013, 12:20 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by Icon
If we're in 12th or worse at the deadline, that could change the win now mindset.
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Historically, whether its the "young guns" era or the "re-tooling" era... if there is a chance of making the playoffs by the trading deadline, even 6-8 points out, you see the organization looking to bring in assets to make a playoff push (not discard assets). Be it Freddy Modin or Bob Bassen.
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03-04-2013, 12:21 PM
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So lets say Flames move Kipper and Iggy to the Pens. Who comes back then? Thoughts?
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03-04-2013, 12:22 PM
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by StrykerSteve
With the revolving door of goalies the Flames have been forced to use this season... I don't think it's the smartest choice to go dealing your one true ace in the hole. Yeah, he played completely average to start the year, but only a fool would think that trend would continue for an extended period of time. He's an elite goalie, and a suddenly very affordable one, not something I feel Calgary should be in a rush to move out unless the return was something truly special.
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You mean completely terrible-
As opposed to the completely average as he's been the past few seasons....
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03-04-2013, 12:23 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by return to the red
At this point if you are the Flames you have to entertain any and all offers that come across the desk for Kipper. No one on this team should be concidered 'untouchable' except for Baertschi and Brodie.
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I'd throw Backlund in as untouchable too.
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03-04-2013, 12:23 PM
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Icon
If we're in 12th or worse at the deadline, that could change the win now mindset.
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Probably not. The standings will be as tight as they always are and everyone will be saying, "We can make it into the playoffs! We're only three points out! Heck, we're only five out of fourth place!"
Or something to that effect.
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03-04-2013, 12:24 PM
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Tampa is the team that makes the most sense and I've been saying that since the start of the year.
They have only a couple seasons to win another cup with St.Louis who is 37 years old.
They have Lindback as the goalie of the future but he has proven this year he is not ready yet to be a full time starter.
Kipper has a high cap hit but low actual cost which is appealing to the Lightning.
Give the Flames some combination of Koekkoek/Connolly/draft picks and the deal potentially gets done.
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