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Old 06-21-2012, 01:12 PM   #1
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Is this in OT this time???!?

Im not sure if I have to have one but I have had a lot of back problems for the last 2 years or so. In Jan of 2010 I got the pain in my right buttocks and shooting down my leg. The pain is horrible by the way. It took them til Jun to give me cortisone shots. I had 3 in June and 1 in January 2011. The pain was gone from June until January of 2012. I had 2 more shots at the end of Jan 12 and 1 in Feb. The pain went away but there was always uncomfortableness. A few days ago the pain came back and worse than ever.

I *begged*whined*cried* my way into a dr visit today. I have been in bed for 2 days. I haven't ate anything of real substance since Monday. I haven't had a bowel movement in 2 days which is very weird for me. The pain in unabated and absolutely horrible .

I have been looking online and it looks like maybe I might have to have a surgery to clear this up. Has anyone every had this? Whats the pain like? Recovery? Will I ever be able to play hockey again? skate? Thoughts, advice?
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:27 PM   #2
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I feel bad for you. As we talked about I've had the same injury/issue for a number of years now and while yours is more severe and debilitating I can sympathize to some extent with the pain and suffering!

On a lighter note, with you being American and all, if you can't play hockey after, has anything really changed?
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You haven't shat in two days?

That is an emergency right there.
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Have you considered seeing a physiarist? They work to control/manage the pain before resorting to surgery. They're not like physiotherapists, they are doctors. I highly recommend seeing one. I tell everybody this, as I've had great success. Mine works in tandem with my neurosurgeon and a whole team (muskulo-skeletal radiologist, physiotherapist, some other guy whose function escapes me, and a chiropractor.)

First, I don't know if I've had a discectomy (rather, I don't know if they took the disk out,) but I've had my spine fused. I seem to recall them saying they injected the area around my vertebra with something like cement, and then built a cage around the broken bones in my back for stability.

Surgery: I can't tell you how yours will be, but mine was relatively slick. I was in the hospital for about six days, and left with a 10-inch horizontal scar on my stomach from my belly button to my side, which apparently doesn't happen that often--it was the angle at which I broke my back that necessitated them going through my front to fix it (or something.) And I had to wear a clam-shell body cast for 3-4 months.

But that was me: you really aughta' talk to doctors.

Recovery: Brutal. The pain wasn't so bad, but I had to lay at no more than a 45 degree angle for three months. I don't know about you, but doing nothing for three months gets depressing.

A friend of mine had something done to her spine and she was walking around a week later. So who knows? (They also went through her back.)

Post-recovery: This is where I've experienced the most difficulty. I have some numb spots on my legs, and chronic pain from my back all the way down to my toes. Also, I have cold, tingling, and burning sensations in my legs which are only partially controlled by medications.

Physio has been hard to do. When you get motivated to really get at it, the back hurts to the point where you can't do it. I don't think I'm being a whiner here: it hurts like hell to work on your core muscles when you have a sore back.

Beginning last year, I've been getting injections in my back they call a facet block. I go once a week for six weeks and they inject different layers of my spine with something. Then repeat a few months later. I had tremendous success with this in April, and as such I pushed hard with my physiotherapy because the pain was temporarily gone. (And of course, my eyes got ####ed because of this or some other reason.)

Here are some of shots of my back from an MRI before it was fused, you can see what a bulging disk looks like.

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My understanding is this (I'm no doctor, but I've listened to a few):

Those square greyish things are parts of your vertebra; between those, the dark coloured things, are the disks. The white strip to the right of the square things is your spinal canal, and the black lines within that white strip are your spinal nerves/cord. When your disk bulges against the spinal canal, it pushes on the nerves.

Further to the right, those coiled things, are muscles, and then my hairy back. (someone correct me if I'm wrong--again, this is just my understanding.)

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Wow, broke back and eyeball.

Messed up.

Nicker,
I had a really bad back issue for over 6 months. MRI, physio, the whole thing. Eventually, someone diagnosed it as being a Hip/SI joint problem. I went from having very little recovery over a 4-5 month span to a very quick recovery following. Turns out, just had to turn things down in terms of back exercises, and turn up hip, back and hamstring stretches.

Anyway, after having been in near immobilized pain for a good deal of the last year, I empathize.

One thing I can recommend for the poos: Lots of water/peppermint tea and apples.
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on the poo part... Its only concerning because I was actually supposed to have a colonoscopy tomorrow because I was poo'ing uncontrollably for the last 2 months plus. Now it's nothing...


As far as the back is concerned.. They are going to give me another steroid shot tomorrow to try and ease my pain . They gave me morphine and a muscle relaxer for this evening.

After than I told them I didn't want to just keep getting shots , I wanted to find the problem and remedy it. So we will do disc-test and some more things.

Sr MInts.. I am going to a pain management doctor. He is the one I saw today. He also gives me my shots. I am planning on asking for a referral to an ortho or nuero doctor after this shot.
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Sr MInts.. I am going to a pain management doctor. He is the one I saw today. He also gives me my shots. I am planning on asking for a referral to an ortho or nuero doctor after this shot.
Find a good Physical Therapist.

There is only so much that medical management can do for you. Avoid surgery at all costs.
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Old 06-21-2012, 10:52 PM   #9
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Find a good Physical Therapist.

There is only so much that medical management can do for you. Avoid surgery at all costs.
I have done physical therapy. It didn't really help me. I will talk to the doc tomorrow before my procedure and ask him if I should try it again.
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on the poo part... Its only concerning because I was actually supposed to have a colonoscopy tomorrow because I was poo'ing uncontrollably for the last 2 months plus. Now it's nothing...


As far as the back is concerned.. They are going to give me another steroid shot tomorrow to try and ease my pain . They gave me morphine and a muscle relaxer for this evening.

After than I told them I didn't want to just keep getting shots , I wanted to find the problem and remedy it. So we will do disc-test and some more things.

Sr MInts.. I am going to a pain management doctor. He is the one I saw today. He also gives me my shots. I am planning on asking for a referral to an ortho or nuero doctor after this shot.


Poling uncontrollably for 2months, then unbelievable pain in your ass and no bowel movements?

That would be a big red flag for me, but I'm no doctor.
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Poling uncontrollably for 2months, then unbelievable pain in your ass and no bowel movements?

That would be a big red flag for me, but I'm no doctor.
the pain isnt necessarily in my ass ... Its in my right butt cheek . I have had this pain before but just not to the extent. Don't worry about the no bowel movements as I had a couple today. It was painful getting two and from but it is what it is... Hopefully Ill get some relief tomorrow and then we can get some more MRIs and tests.
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I had a steroid shot in my L3/L4 and L4/L5 today. It took a lot of the edge off the pain. The only pain now is when I stand for longer than a couple minutes. The pain is on the outside of my calf and is relieved by sitting or laying. I know these shots are usually in sets of 2 or 3. The doc said it would take a few days to get the inflammation down because it was obviously really bad..

I don't want to have to take steroids , be good for 6 mos, have a week of horrid pain , and then take more steroids. I am guessing I should call a Ortho or Nuero doc and have a sit down with them.
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well i ended up having 3 shots with the last being the first week in July. The pain is back again. I saw the doctor. They are sending me for a discogram and another MRI. They are saying since the steroids arent having a lasting affect , that surgery is now my option. They said they could try ablation or nerve blocks but they dont usually help with pain going down the leg as intense as mine. They are thinking a laminectomy would probably help me immensely . Anyone with experience with these?
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You should def get an MRI of the SI joint.

You sound like you have something similar to me. I had pain on and off over 4 years. The last stint of pain lasted for 8 months where I couldnt walk, sit, lay down on my back, or anything of the like without pain. I couldnt skate or play hockey either.

Mine turned out to be Anklyosing Spondylitis and piriformis syndrome. Basically inflammation of my spine, hips and SI joint, as well as piriformis muscle pain causing sciatic nerve pain.

Piriformis syndrome can be healed through physio for the most part, as well as regular stretching. A physio who knows how to treat this specific muscle (I went through 3 before him) is Dr. Shepard at the Shepard Health Clinic on Kensington road.

As for Anklyosing Spondilytis. I can only take anti-inflammitory medication for now until I get in to see a rheumatologist. From there I will most likely get injections for the rest of my life.


Both of these conditions are very hard to diagnose because there are much more common conditions that most doctors/physios jump to first. Hope this helps.
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I've had this done (complete with the titanium plate option):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterio...omy_and_fusion

... necessary after a freeride mountain biking accident.

That was in 2003. Within 6 months (4 months laid up, 2 months rehab) I was fine and am still fine today. I'm sure I'll have problems as I approach my mid-40's, but for now, I feel as good as I did when I was 20 (I'm 33 currently).


Just go under the knife.
I mean, how long have you been living with this pain? It's destroying your quality of life.
Sure you can do bandaid fixes here and there to deal with the pain, but you're still going to be making plans to go on trips and partake in physical activity based around your back problems.

Quality of Life

Keep those words front and center, and do what you have to, to get that back as quickly as possible. Surgery sucks, but you'll heal and the drugs are fantastic (as I'm sure you know, since it sounds like you are on a few to deal with this already) while you get back to your old self.
Taking drugs, indefinitely, to deal with the pain is just going to kill you off early from kidney failure.

Get your quality of life back asap. Our lives are a flash in the pan. Get the most out of it. Get surgical.
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I've had this done (complete with the titanium plate option):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterio...omy_and_fusion

... necessary after a freeride mountain biking accident.

That was in 2003. Within 6 months (4 months laid up, 2 months rehab) I was fine and am still fine today. I'm sure I'll have problems as I approach my mid-40's, but for now, I feel as good as I did when I was 20 (I'm 33 currently).


Just go under the knife.
I mean, how long have you been living with this pain? It's destroying your quality of life.
Sure you can do bandaid fixes here and there to deal with the pain, but you're still going to be making plans to go on trips and partake in physical activity based around your back problems.

Quality of Life

Keep those words front and center, and do what you have to, to get that back as quickly as possible. Surgery sucks, but you'll heal and the drugs are fantastic (as I'm sure you know, since it sounds like you are on a few to deal with this already) while you get back to your old self.
Taking drugs, indefinitely, to deal with the pain is just going to kill you off early from kidney failure.

Get your quality of life back asap. Our lives are a flash in the pan. Get the most out of it. Get surgical.
Well... I do want to get back to being myself. As for drugs.. nothing really helps to be honest. I havent found a drug that helps the nerve pain. Even 2700MG of nuerotin a day didnt help the nerve pain. Right now Morphine and Muscle relaxers are what they have me on. Well today the gave me OXY IR instead of morphine.
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