TrapWire-why is mainstream media ignoreing it?

[jamoro]

Why are we not outraged about this? according to the info from wiki leaks there is no longer any privacy in north America.

a video explaining what Trapwire is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6ZS...1&feature=plcp

News article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

I think we can now conclude democracy is dead

[Azure]

Sounds like something from a TV show.

Oh wait.

[GGG]

I think there is no outrage because a system like this at some level has been assumed to exist. And will exist whether or not a court strikes down this particular system.

I disagree with your statement that democracy is dead though. Privacy is dead but privacy is not required for democracy.

[SebC]

How exactly is surveillance anti-democratic? One of the most fundamental tasks (and one could argue THE most fundamental task) of a modern democracy is to assure the safety of its citizens.

[trumpethead]

I am trying to ignore "ignoreing"

[zamler]

Originally Posted by SebC

How exactly is surveillance anti-democratic? One of the most fundamental tasks (and one could argue THE most fundamental task) of a modern democracy is to assure the safety of its citizens.

It is the job of a democracy to ensure the safety, privacy, liberty and freedom of its citizens.

[zarrell]

This thread is much more interesting with a tin foil hat on.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by zarrell

This thread is much more interesting with a tin foil hat on.

is that why trapwire has been tagging me as suspicious?

[jamoro]

Originally Posted by SebC

How exactly is surveillance anti-democratic? One of the most fundamental tasks (and one could argue THE most fundamental task) of a modern democracy is to assure the safety of its citizens.

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

[SebC]

Originally Posted by jamoro

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin

A lack of security cameras is not what I would call "essential liberty".

[jamoro]

The fact that this system exists yes is not surprising. But have you ever heard of "setting a precedent". this is setting a precedent for a totalitarian state.

Why not be honest and just tell us what they are doing? Why do they have to hide the fact that they are spying on us behind closed doors? and why are they making files on everyone? Even people who are not suspected terrorists

[Knut]

^ Too much time at Reddit

[jamoro]

Originally Posted by Hesla

^ Too much time at Reddit

ha ha maybe

[SebC]

Originally Posted by jamoro

The fact that this system exists yes is not surprising. But have you ever heard of "setting a precedent". this is setting a precedent for a totalitarian state.

Why not be honest and just tell us what they are doing? Why do they have to hide the fact that they are spying on us behind closed doors? and why are they making files on everyone? Even people who are not suspected terrorists

The UK has had a much greater tolerance for CCTV than North America and their descent into totalitarianism has yet to emerge.

Why make files on people who are not suspected terrorists? Well, how else do you find the suspected terrorists in the first place?

I rarely take issue with enforcement tools in themselves. I sometimes take issue with the underlying laws that the enforcement tools can be applied to.

[Boshi]

We're a complacent people nowadays. I think by the time people realize they need to stand-up, it'll be much too late. I wonder when they attempt another run at crippling the internet.

[Burninator]

What, and take away time from covering Miley Cyrus's hair cut?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by SebC

The UK has had a much greater tolerance for CCTV than North America and their descent into totalitarianism has yet to emerge.

Work in progress.

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by jamoro

Why are we not outraged about this? according to the info from wiki leaks there is no longer any privacy in north America.

a video explaining what Trapwire is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH6ZS...1&feature=plcp

News article
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

I think we can now conclude democracy is dead

I operate comfortably under the theory that I am completely uninteresting to surveillance algorithms everywhere, therefore democracy is working just fine for me.

Cowperson

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I operate comfortably under the theory that I am completely uninteresting to surveillance algorithms everywhere, therefore democracy is working just fine for me.

Cowperson

I think you're a very interesting person!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

I operate comfortably under the theory that I am completely uninteresting to surveillance algorithms everywhere, therefore democracy is working just fine for me.

Cowperson

Assuming that algorithms are perfect is foolhardy, assuming the people in control of above information are above reproach is even more foolish. Even MORE foolish is to assume that everything you do is legal, or considered legal. Actions you take that you consider perfectly fine and reasonable may in fact be used against you.