Taliban at it again

[Street Pharmacist]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/09/wo...ghanistan.html

KABUL, Afghanistan — The scene that Afghan officials say was caught on video last month near Kabul was as horrific as it was once common in Afghanistan: a Taliban fighter executing a woman with repeated shots to the back of her head as his compatriots and scores of villagers watch, and then cheer

At the outset of the fuzzy video, which runs nearly four minutes and appears to have been taken by a Taliban member with a cellphone, Najiba is a peripheral figure, seen kneeling in the background. Her body is turned away from the camera, her head is shrouded by a gray scarf.

Taliban fighters mill about in the foreground. A few dozen villagers watch from a hill above the impromptu execution ground. The existence of the video was first reported by the Reuters news agency, and obtained on Monday by The New York Times.

One of the Taliban says the Koran prohibits adultery. Killing the woman is “God’s order and decree,” he says. “If the issue was avenging deaths, we would beg for her amnesty. But in this case, God says, ‘You should finish her.’#”

He concludes by saying, “It’s the order of God, and now it is her husband’s work to punish her.”

Then someone else says, “Give him a Kalashnikov.”

Armed with the borrowed assault rifle, the man identified as her husband approaches Najiba from behind. Several Taliban fighters can he heard whispering, “Get closer to her.”

He shoots Najiba nine times. The third shot jolts her body backward, leaving it flat on the ground. He keeps shooting.

Someone then says, “Long live the hero of Islam!” The Taliban begin cheering, and the villagers join in. One of the Taliban says, “Take my video, too,” and can be seen smiling, with ammunition strapped to his vest.

The video ends with the executioner shooting Najiba’s body four more times.

One would think that at a time when they should be trying to show some form of decency as they are trying diplomatic channels for legitamcy, they would avoid this type of display. Disgusting.

[nik-]

Still at it would be more apt since again implies it stopped at some point.

[transplant99]

Blame Bettman...or Christianity....or the US...its ALWAYS one of those things.

[Barnission]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Blame Bettman...or Christianity....or the US...its ALWAYS one of those things.

Something like this happens and you make a joke about hockey?

[Nuje]

To think that a decade and change ago, people who would do this were Afghanistan's actual government. This kind of (insert dirty censored word) offends me greatly. Time to eliminate these fringes. It wasn't too long ago this was the law there though. Scary stuff. This level of inhuman garbage should rot.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Blame Bettman...or Christianity....or the US...its ALWAYS one of those things.

Be frank. Just blame religion as a whole, Taliban..whatever, all a bunch of freaks mind controlled by imaginary gods and beliefs!

[saskflames69]

I blame rap music.

[Sr. Mints]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Blame Bettman...or Christianity....or the US...its ALWAYS one of those things.

I must be tired. I thought you said "Blame Batman . . . or Christian Bale . . ."

(July 20th!)

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by T@T

Be frank. Just blame religion as a whole, Taliban..whatever, all a bunch of freaks mind controlled by imaginary gods and beliefs!

You seem to make the same smug condescending generalization about all religous people every single time a subject like this comes up. You are the most predictable poster on Calgary puck. Congratulations.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Blame Bettman...or Christianity....or the US...its ALWAYS one of those things.

Can you be morally serious for a second? A woman just got executed for a fabricated case of adultery.

Yes. Fabricated. See: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

Officials in Afghanistan, where the amateur video was filmed, believe the woman was executed because two Taliban commanders had a dispute over her, according to the governor of the province where the killing took place.

Both apparently had some kind of relationship with the woman, said Parwan province governor Abdul Basir Salangi.

"In order to save face," they accused her of adultery, Salangi said.

Then they "faked a court to decide about the fate of this woman and in one hour, they executed the woman," he added.

Sickening.

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

You seem to make the same smug condescending generalization about all religous people every single time a subject like this comes up. You are the most predictable poster on Calgary puck. Congratulations.

So instead of the ad hominem attack, why not address what he said? I'd love to hear a counter to what he said instead of you whining about his posting habits.

Such abuses happen and without hesitation because the directive for these atrocities are believed to be the divine orders of the Creator of the universe. They said it themselves, "God's order and decree". On this continent, we have women's reproductive rights being trivialized, and homosexuals being treated as second-class citizens, and it should not surprise anyone to discover that the reasons stem from religious belief.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Can you be morally serious for a second? A woman just got executed for a fabricated case of adultery.

Yes. Fabricated. See: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/08/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

Sickening.
So instead of the ad hominem attack, why not address what he said? I'd love to hear a counter to what he said instead of you whining about his posting habits.

Such abuses happen and without hesitation because the directive for these atrocities are believed to be the divine orders of the Creator of the universe. They said it themselves, "God's order and decree". On this continent, we have women's reproductive rights being trivialized, and homosexuals being treated as second-class citizens, and it should not surprise anyone to discover that the reasons stem from religious belief.

You yourself said they were made up charges, yet you think this is a religious killing? If they truly believed that this was a godly duty, they would have been just as frightened about their lying. Seems to me this is as cultural as it is religious. Let's not get confused what the source of this is.

[Hack&Lube]

This is probably less about religion and rather petty bickering among uneducated men in a male-dominated feudal society abusing others and women for their own egos. From the various reports it was either it was a case of two Taliban members fighting over a woman or it was a power struggle between a village militia and Taliban and the woman belonged to the losing party.

[Zevo]

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

You seem to make the same smug condescending generalization about all religous people every single time a subject like this comes up. You are the most predictable poster on Calgary puck. Congratulations.

From the article:

Killing the woman is “God’s order and decree,”

God says, ‘You should finish her.’ ”

“It’s the order of God, and now it is her husband’s work to punish her.”

“Long live the hero of Islam!”

Instead of attacking me personally how about you try and prove me wrong.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by T@T

From the article:

Instead of attacking me personally how about you try and prove me wrong.

Religion was a mere convenience. From the next link you can clearly see the charges were invented. This is more about a culture where a woman had no worth or rights. Religion gave expedience, nothing more.

The reason for the personal attack was the inflammatory language you use. I'm not a fan either, but maybe if you made a more reasoned statement than constant blanket inflammatory ones these attacks wouldn't come?


Edit: And seriously? You're going to claim some sort of moral high ground when calling half the worlds population and very likely quite a few posters on here freaks? Then you get upset about a "personal attack" that called you smug? You are a quality poster in most things, but that is just plain baiting.

[Cheese]

http://news.yahoo.com/taliban-public...172336299.html

In the three-minute video, a turban-clad man approaches a woman kneeling in the dirt and shoots her five times at close range with an automatic rifle, to cheers of jubilation from the 150 or so men watching in a village in Parwan province.

[Svensational]

Our species is an oddity. We're more like a plague that moves and devours everything around us. It doesn't take religion to make ppl act horrendously.

Pretty sick stuff regardless.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by T@T

Instead of attacking me personally how about you try and prove me wrong.

I don't need to prove you wrong. When the thread started I mused "how soon before the guy with the Conroy avatar makes his usual blanket attack on all people who practice religion?" Is it turned out, it was the sixth post.
If my comments are a personal attack its not because you hate all religions, but its because you personalize your insult to include all people who practice their faith. And now you're offended by a little pushback?
To "prove you wrong", how about I introduce you to a few members of my immediate and extended family, some of my coworkers, some of my friends, all people of various faiths who attend church, mosques, synagouges, temples etc and who can variously be described as kind, charitable, tolerant, flawed (like everybody else), and all capable of living harmoniously within a secular society. But to you they're all freaks and the same as the Taliban, as you stated in your post.

[GirlySports]

I'm not sure what bothers me more.. the ridiculous unfair treatment of women or that the Taliban have cellphones.

[Muta]

Religion holds back the true potential of human development and social evolution. More people have been killed in the name of God than for probably any other reason. Ironically, until this changes, I don't see how long-term peace could ever be attained. IMO, if one wants to look for answers to our existence, one needs to look no further than to the soil beneath our feet and realize that we all come from the same place regardless of who you are. Mother Nature creates us all equal. To the Taliban - Man wouldn't exist without Woman.