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Old 05-31-2012, 04:06 PM   #1
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I've been searching various style guides for help on using spaced dashes, en dashes, or em dashes on how to represent some range data properly. I know that a spaced dash is preferred to denote a range but how do you do it with negative values?

Say I have some data I want to present in sort of a tabular format that is negative values. Say temperatures:

January (-5° - -29°), February (-10° - -14°), March (-3° - 8°)

Is this correct?

Is there a better way?

Is there a style guide out there that defines this?
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:10 PM   #2
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This isn't a grammar question. Your looking for the best way to present infomation without it being confusing. This is more of a visual problem. I'd separate the temperatures somehow. Maybe:

(-x) - (-y)

or replace the dash with a different symbol or word that doesn't so closely resemble the - sign.

-x to -y
-x - -y

Or a visibly longer dash? If you don't create separation somehow, you will end up with a problem, especially if you get into positive numbers for the second digit.
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Use an em dash instead of a minus sign?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Em_dash#Em_dash

Alt + 0151 to use em dash —
Alt + 0150 to use en dash –

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Old 05-31-2012, 04:18 PM   #5
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Also, don't capitalize prepositions like 'from' in a title.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:22 PM   #6
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This isn't a grammar question. Your looking for the best way to present infomation without it being confusing. This is more of a visual problem. I'd separate the temperatures somehow. Maybe:

(-x) - (-y)

or replace the dash with a different symbol or word that doesn't so closely resemble the - sign.

-x to -y
-x - -y

Or a visibly longer dash? If you don't create separation somehow, you will end up with a problem, especially if you get into positive numbers for the second digit.
The middle dash will be a dash not a minus sign. This font doesn't make a distinction (that I know of) nor can I use HTML.

Colour is out because it means something in what I am working on. To is an option.

Grammar Nazi was just to catch attention to those who are familiar with various style guides.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:27 PM   #7
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What about:

January (-5° to -29°)
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Also, don't capitalize prepositions like 'from' in a title.
ESPECIALLY when you didn't capitalize 'and' as well.
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Well you don't want to use
(-x) - (-y)
since () is often used to denote negative, so it could be interpreted to be
x - y
I would go with
-x to -y
but it depends on the situation.
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:03 PM   #10
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I don't know the best way to express those values, but you should at least explain what units you are using.
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Easy, use kelvin. Makes you sound more sciencey too.
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Easy, use kelvin. Makes you sound more sciencey too.
Boom.

Problem solved.

Extra points for 'y'
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:12 PM   #14
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I'm fluent in over six million forms of styles guide, and can readily....

You say tabular format, so I don't know how much space you have, or what kind of layout you're going for, but what about throwing some words in there for the sake of clarity?

January, between -5° and -29°

or

Temperature ranges
Month
-5° and -29°

The em dash would be my first guess, but it honestly looks clumsy.
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Old 05-31-2012, 11:35 PM   #15
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I agree. It is more readable when you include the units of measure.

If you can't find the degree symbol, I like to use "degC".

-5degC to -29degC.

HIGH: -5degC
LOW: -29degC

You could also write it in C. I like to write all of my documents in a popular programming language.

printf("hello world, here's the temperatures!");
for (bTemp = -5; bTemp >= -29; bTemp--)
{
printf(" %d degC\r\n", bTemp);
}
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I like to write it in Klingon so Wormius can understand it clearly.
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I like to write it in Klingon so Wormius can understand it clearly.
Don't make me pull out my Klingon dictionary and conversation tape (narrated by Michael Dorn himself).. because I wouldn't know what to do with the tape actually..
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