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Old 02-14-2012, 01:07 PM   #1
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Justin Trudeau dosen't help the Liberal cause

Justin Trudeau interview on Radio Canada

http://www.radio-canada.ca/audio-vid...02120805_1.asx

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et je dis toujours si, un moment donné, je croyais que le Canada, c’était vraiment le Canada de Stephen Harper, puis qu’on s’en allait contre l’avortement, puis qu’on s’en allait contre le mariage gai, puis qu’on retourne en arrière de dix milles différentes façons, peut-être que je songerais à vouloir faire du Québec, un pays. Oh oui. Absolument. Si je ne reconnais plus le Canada, moi, mes valeurs, je les connais très bien
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And I always say if, a given time, i thought that the Canada, that was really the Canada of Stephen Harper, and then that it was going against abortion, and then that it was going against the gay marriage, then it returns to the rear of ten miles different ways, perhaps I would look to make Quebec, a country. Oh yes. Absolutely. If i do not recognize more than Canada, me, my values, I know them very well
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Old 02-14-2012, 01:09 PM   #2
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Man, to think I once had high hopes for this guy. What a moron.
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Canadian politics is in such a sad state right now. Between Harper's ridiculous crime bill and Vic Toews equating people who value their online privacy as supporters of child pornography, Justin Trudeau saying moronic stuff like this and Bob Rae likely becoming the next Liberal leader, and the NDP being, well, the NDP, there really is no party I can support currently.
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Canadian politics is in such a sad state right now. Between Harper's ridiculous crime bill and Vic Toews equating people who value their online privacy as supporters of child pornography, Justin Trudeau saying moronic stuff like this and Bob Rae likely becoming the next Liberal leader, and the NDP being, well, the NDP, there really is no party I can support currently.
Put your faith in this man, even if he is American. His view on marriage at the end is actually quite liberal.

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If the choice is between Harper forever and Quebec, I might choose Quebec too.
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Old 02-14-2012, 08:04 PM   #6
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Regardless, he just told everyone that he places Quebec over Canada. I cannot believe people think this guy is the leader in waiting for the Liberals. Only if they want to complete their plummet to insignificance.
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Let them separate!
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:22 PM   #8
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Ya, looks like he is sticking to the script as well too. No mis-quote route for Justin.

While I see what he means, a Harper Canada is not one I would like either, he quite possibly used the worst example possible. This one is a career killer (unless he plans on being a QC MP here on out).

Funny part is that my dad told me a story about helicopters landing in MTL during the FLQ crisis. Soldiers flooding out, and taking position. He was standing right there when he lived in MTL.

If only your pop can see you now Justin... Arg
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:30 PM   #9
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He'll be getting punched out soon in his celebrity boxing match. He challenged an opponent without checking him out first. Sen. Brazeau will have to restrain himself to keep from hurting the little twerp.

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At 6-foot, Trudeau, 40, has a couple of inches of height and reach on Brazeau and studied boxing in his younger days. But his 37-year-old opponent is not only Canada’s youngest senator and a former Canadian soldier, he also has a 2nd degree black belt in karate and, according to The National Post, a healthy dislike for Trudeau.
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Old 02-14-2012, 10:47 PM   #10
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No offense, but I don't see what any of you saw in him before now. I'd be disgusted if my party thought a name alone was leadership material.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:02 PM   #11
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It's a sad state of affairs that Harper is probably the best person to be in charge at the moment, and I loath Harper in pretty much every way.

Honestly I think the Liberals need to either merge with the NDP, or be irrelevant for the next twenty years.
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Old 02-14-2012, 11:13 PM   #12
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I see what he's saying (I think), and I get it, but in the politics game that is such a risky thing to say.
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I think this is being blown out of proportion. It was a bad wording by Trudeau, but I can understand the message about Harper's Canada. Just a really stupid way of saying it.
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What message by Harper, Trudeau's bleating on all the old buggaboos the whole abortion and gay marriage booga booga Harper's going to take them away, when Harper has been pretty firm that neither of those issues are going to be re-opened.

And there's no bad wording by Trudeau, he's supposed to be bi-lingual. So he followed the Liberal play book . . . ohhhb hidden agenda hidden agenda, pander to Quebec, then pulled out the NDP playbook, Quebec above Canada.

He came off as a class A moron.
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What message by Harper, Trudeau's bleating on all the old buggaboos the whole abortion and gay marriage booga booga Harper's going to take them away, when Harper has been pretty firm that neither of those issues are going to be re-opened.

And there's no bad wording by Trudeau, he's supposed to be bi-lingual. So he followed the Liberal play book . . . ohhhb hidden agenda hidden agenda, pander to Quebec, then pulled out the NDP playbook, Quebec above Canada.

He came off as a class A moron.
He's playing up the social conservative fears in which Harper is believed to have a strong stance in. It's complete politicking, but it works with the fears surrounding Bill-C10 and C11 (or is it 32, I can't remember).
It was stupid saying what he did, as he did; I'm sure his intention was not to come off as choosing Quebec over Canada, but it's what came out.
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Oh my! Captain Cruch doesn't like something Justin Trudeau said! Call me shocked!

Actually, if my choice was Harper or separating ONTARIO (or any other province), I'd choose separation. While not reopening either issue, we get a pretty good understanding of the VALUES held by conservatives. We have Stephen Woodworth wanting a parliamentary committee to look into when life begins.

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- Stephen Harper, Hansard, Address in the House of Commons on Bill C-38, February 16, 2005.
I do *NOT* like Conservative values. Social or fiscal. And I find it utterly hypocritical that people that support separating Alberta when the Liberals are in power are slamming someone for suggesting that a different province do the same when there is a party and leader in power that does not share THEIR values.
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How many people here would rather have Alberta separation than a Trudeau Canada?

I understand that being a politician, he should be careful about expressing those ideas, but I am sure a lot of people can relate to the sentiment.

I imagine that Trudeau was using some hyperbole.
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How many people here would rather have Alberta separation than a Trudeau Canada?

I understand that being a politician, he should be careful about expressing those ideas, but I am sure a lot of people can relate to the sentiment.

I imagine that Trudeau was using some hyperbole.
As long as we separate soon (just in time for that 6M barrel/day boost in production), I don't really care who runs the rest of the country...
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I don't think Trudeau would enjoy the same luxuries Quebec has now if they were cut off from the rest of Canada.
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I don't think Trudeau would enjoy the same luxuries Quebec has now if they were cut off from the rest of Canada.
He wouldn't, but it would have a negative effect on the country as a whole, especially the Atlantic provinces.

Quebec independence would lead to further fragmentation of Canada followed by an eventual North American union with the United States as the centre of power. It might be inevitable anyway, but Quebec independence would hasten that... and if they think that maintaining their culture is difficult in Canada, they haven't seen anything yet.
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